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Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: June 27, 2016, 7:35 am
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Dear Members, and anyone else who thinks they exist.
It's not uncommon to hear ''teachers'' say it's self-evident you
exist, obvious... right? Well, do you exist? Nobody believes
that they don't exist. But how do you know you exist?
The most common answer it something about you have the capacity
to sense things, to feel. Of course, you can't say that you
don't exist because that would mean your aren't there to either
believe or not believe, or perhaps even express yourself, if
there is one. If you say you don't exist it would mean you
existed in order say it. It's not so obvious that you exist but
it's obvious that you can't say that you don't exist.
So, what gives, do you exist or not, are you or are you not? You
are the absence of that which is not, and that is all that you
can think you are.
Contemplate that... it's all you ever need to know, and you
can't know it at all.
Love ya, Jed
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Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
DIR By: Guido
Date: June 27, 2016, 8:56 am
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Not non-existing = existing. At least one thing exists :
existing.
Cogito ergo sum: I think therefore I exist. Let's dumb it down.
Thinking therefore existing. No need for an "I". If there is
thinking, thinking exists, thus there is existing. This goes
with everything. I eat therefore I am , yellow hat, therefore
existence. Ultimatly existing therefore existing, therefore
existing, therefore... .
Thought experiment, Indra's web, version 2.0 :
Who exists? What is the "I"? I could be somebody's dream, or a
program in The Matrix. The Matrix could be another program
within a bigger Matrix, ad infinitum. "I" living in the Matrix
can go role playing and create a new character, for example a
valiant knight. To me that knight is just an illusion, does not
exist. But I have no guarantees it's not the other way around.
Maybe I am a valiant knight. Maybe the "me" I think I am is just
a means for the valiant knight to create a world in which he
exists. So the Matrix in Matrix analogy could go up, down or in
any direction. The Buddhist concept of Indra's web is that of an
endless web, with perfectly shining juwels, each reflecting all
the others. My 2.0 version of Indra's web is where each jewel is
another infinite web on itself. That situation could be
possible.
BUT non existence does not exist. Whatever hypothesis, one
single materialistic universe that started at the big bang or an
infinite web of infinite webs it is all based on the one simple
truth, there is no non existence.
That What Exists, exists, the rest is speculation.
My true nature, underneath all concepts that are uncertain, is
existence, is That What Exists. I am That.
#Post#: 22185--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
DIR By: mariam
Date: June 27, 2016, 9:05 am
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do I exist? yes and no. how do I know I exist? awareness of
questioning.
dumb enough to answer, but brilliant enough to know I do not
know.
back to watching the chickens.
#Post#: 22187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
DIR By: mariam
Date: June 27, 2016, 9:35 am
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too eager and quick to answer. I give my false self away every
time!
how do I know I exist? really, how do I know? and no easy jump
out this time into the assertion I do not know or can't know. If
there is an answer, I'm going to find it. too bad though, I'm
guessing it's not something that can be talked about. still, I
might be stupid enough to try and share what I find.
over and out. Love, I
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Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
DIR By: Stephan Caspers
Date: June 27, 2016, 3:20 pm
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I blame babies! They are the cause that we all think about
existence or death. Reflecting such phantom knowledge on
materialistic things. A whole life you're supposed to believe
you're someone of importance. Till the body's engines run out of
fuel then it's game over in nerd language. Sure I ain't a dummy.
Of course I imagine there is interaction going on and we seem to
get along as separate entities. But that's bogus! That's not
existing. To claim something exist is like making up laws that
something must be true and don't you dare question The Law! No
but seriously keep on questioning and let go of that specific
form of living you made up.
#Post#: 22207--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
DIR By: fugazi
Date: June 27, 2016, 5:45 pm
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fugazi: "yes, I exist"
Jed: (presuming Jed's response of course) "show me this "I" that
you say exists"
fugazi: "hmmm, can't"
Jed: "well?"
fugazi: "there is an awareness of existence, nothing more"
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Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
DIR By: Mori
Date: June 27, 2016, 7:46 pm
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Well, since there is only further "I"'ve decided to give you
guys and galls a specific voice in the mind. Just for fun of
course.
Jed sounds like octo from spongebob squarepants.
I'll go philosophize about nothing and existence some other
moment if yall don't mind.
Love, Mori
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Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
DIR By: jonnydas
Date: June 27, 2016, 8:14 pm
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I believe I exist.
I see a beer to my left, of which I just had a sip.
I see these fingers in front of me typing what I believe are
words which I believe will be read and understood by some other
I's.
I just had a notion that I am hungry, but a thought raced across
with the message that I need to lose some weight because I just
had a hip transplant. I believe so anyway.
I believe I just coughed.
I believe I exist. Yes.
And YOU can't prove my belief wrong either. So there.
#Post#: 22212--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
DIR By: jonnydas
Date: June 27, 2016, 8:15 pm
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I also believe that this beer is very very good beer.
#Post#: 22213--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
DIR By: purpleroses111
Date: June 27, 2016, 11:41 pm
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I don't know how it's possible to know (at least with this mind)
:-\ Either way, it'll be 'the mind' saying something exists or
doesn't and being the trickster it is, it'll be a bit flaky.
I assume the point of contemplating something like this is to
realize there is probably no way to really know via the mind.
It can't be proven or disproven, but that's a belief too.
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