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       #Post#: 19694--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... Ah heck, I give up....
   DIR By: abrakamowse
       Date: April 11, 2016, 12:02 pm
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       That stories can be of help to awakening? There is a point where
       the story gets closer to what reality is and then you are able
       to drop all the stories.
       Is it that correct, Jed?
       #Post#: 19697--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... Ah heck, I give up....
   DIR By: mariam
       Date: April 11, 2016, 2:03 pm
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       --- Quote from: abrakamowse link ---
       >
       > That stories can be of help to awakening? There is a point
       where the story gets closer to what reality is and then you are
       able to drop all the stories.
       >
       > Is it that correct, Jed?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       for me, it's the seeing of stories and story-making that
       supports waking. stories are of ego. ego will never know Truth.
       dropping the stories doesn't mean the stories no longer unfold,
       it's just that as they do, there seems to be a greater degree of
       choice in the level of involvement one has.
       love ya,
       not jed
       #Post#: 19715--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... Ah heck, I give up....
   DIR By: abrakamowse
       Date: April 12, 2016, 6:02 am
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       --- Quote from: mariam link ---
       >
       > [quote author=abrakamowse link=topic=844.msg19694#msg19694
       date=1460394179]
       > That stories can be of help to awakening? There is a point
       where the story gets closer to what reality is and then you are
       able to drop all the stories.
       >
       > Is it that correct, Jed?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       for me, it's the seeing of stories and story-making that
       supports waking. stories are of ego. ego will never know Truth.
       dropping the stories doesn't mean the stories no longer unfold,
       it's just that as they do, there seems to be a greater degree of
       choice in the level of involvement one has.
       love ya,
       not jed
       [/quote]
       Thanks Mariam.  You are right.
       #Post#: 19850--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... Ah heck, I give up....
   DIR By: Alexandra
       Date: April 18, 2016, 8:22 pm
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       Surrender is an inner gesture.
       What is? Truth is.
       The truth of nothing.
       The truth of everything arising in that nothing and then
       dissolving without a trace back to the primordial state.
       And in that, the truth of individuality beyond identification,
       where the unique human life can unfold through series of deaths
       into everything and into nothing.
       No grasping, no holding on to states, no preference, but
       enjoyment of all.
       #Post#: 19865--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... Ah heck, I give up....
   DIR By: Frits
       Date: April 19, 2016, 2:34 am
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       --- Quote from: Alexandra link ---
       >
       > Surrender is an inner gesture.
       > What is? Truth is.
       > The truth of nothing.
       > The truth of everything arising in that nothing and then
       dissolving without a trace back to the primordial state.
       > And in that, the truth of individuality beyond identification,
       where the unique human life can unfold through series of deaths
       into everything and into nothing.
       > No grasping, no holding on to states, no preference, but
       enjoyment of all.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       This might be called Human Adulthood, but it's got nothing to do
       with Truth. Truth could not arise and dissolve, that would make
       it first 'this' and then 'that', Truth IS and is constant, it
       must be, it cannot be otherwise.
       #Post#: 19868--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... Ah heck, I give up....
   DIR By: Alexandra
       Date: April 19, 2016, 6:49 am
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       No, Frits, you have misunderstood what has been said here. The
       truth of nothing is the primordial state in which all phenomena
       arise (the primordial state). From nothing, back to nothing -
       yet life in all its terror and glory. Enjoyment is the part
       where post T/R you are able to have fun with whatever is - or
       whatever isn't.  It is not equal with having fun the H/A way,
       where identification is still part of the deal.
       T/R doesn't eradicate phenomena, it eradicates the 'someone' (as
       in, the identified one) suffering from it.
       Same as saying life doesn't cease when you're done.
       #Post#: 19873--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... Ah heck, I give up....
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: April 19, 2016, 9:24 am
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       Is that true?
       Love ya, Jed.
       #Post#: 19898--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed Rant... Ah heck, I give up....
   DIR By: Seiko
       Date: April 19, 2016, 6:27 pm
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       Having murdered syntax long ago...
       Concepts doesn't war against the truth but only them self,
       neither does truth war against concepts, this is a concept, yet
       it puts an end to defining truth if grasped, the words are not
       important, a Clever explanation is a pour relationship with
       truth, does the spoon taste the soup?
       (Q: Is this true?)
       (A: no, the things I say cant be true and never will, only I am
       true or make it so, the interesting q is who am I? the ansver
       I`m dont come in the form of words neither does truth)
       ….joust saying x)
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