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       Barros
   DIR By: Barros
       Date: September 7, 2014, 10:54 am
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       Hey. I think I've read eveything I needed to proceed, so I'm
       going to start doing so. I was mailing Jed before the start of
       the forum, and I was only asking the essential in my viewpoint,
       to avoid waste of time from me and from him. Here I am a bit
       more free to say about my journey that I ended up going without
       my consent.
       Well, I was a young boy trying to do the best I knew, I was in
       college, getting a degree in Math, teaching in a school and at
       home. Had a nice place with parents, good friends, and a strong
       will to learn from life. The latter was essential to get out of
       the wheel (the wheel of dharma, it suits the situation).
       I wasn't satisfied with my life. People tend to say that when
       present is shit, you have to improve it to get a better future.
       So that's what I was doing. Until there was the "fall". Work was
       attached to university, in the sense that losing university, I'd
       lose work. It happened that I was so obsessed with getting a
       vehicle that I couldn't study, just work. Then, because of low
       grades, I quit the university. And work. And then I wasn't doing
       anything. I was lost. The problem with this wasn't quitting the
       job or university. It's because I held the picture of a smart
       guy to family and friends, and getting kicked out  of university
       because of grades was shameful to me. Shame was a strong prison.
       It held me doing so many useless stuff. Anything to not feel
       ashamed.
       Then, the final blow was when I met a woman. I don't know why,
       in my life, men, like my friends and co-workers provided order
       to my mind, and the women in my relationships provided chaos in
       my mind. It's interesting. This last woman brought chaos like
       I'd never imagine. The thing is, I was dating her, but I was
       needy. I wanted to be with her all time. But I knew I couldn't.
       I was profoundly afraid to lose her. So I didn't tried to avoid
       the pain this time doing something, like being mad at her, using
       alcohol, or anything, because I knew I couldn't do anything
       about it. Instead, I felt every drop of fear I was feeling,
       suffocating, but I knew that everything was in my mind. It was
       funny, I knew that I had no reason to fear, because there was no
       relationship, (not in the TR sense, the delusional relationship
       didn't exist too). She was liking me, everyone expected us to
       get along, but I couldn't because of fear. And this time, I
       didn't run from fear, I looked directly at it. It consumed a lot
       of energy, but I learned a lot from it. Then I broke everyone's
       hope, she dumped me and, when I lost her, part of the fear was
       gone. It was like the weight of getting everything right was
       lifted from my back. I felt better. But still, depressed.
       Then, I spoke to her, and said all that I felt, sincerely. This
       was probably the first time I could speak without hiding behind
       masks. What mask could I have? I was on the ground, with no
       work, nor studies, nor relationships I could brag of. I was on
       the ground. Why lie? Her answer was quite sincere too, more than
       even she thinks. She just said that she coudn't help me, but she
       wished me luck getting over all this. Then there went a week of
       trying to absorb all this together. I still had my very wounded
       ego, I was trying to figure out how to heal it, or something
       like this. So I was on a hard time. I could have dropped on an
       addiction or killed myself, I don't know how I endured so well
       the hit. So, one day, I was thinking about my life till this
       day. I had no university. No job. No relationship. No debts.
       Some money. Then something clicked my mind. I was free. I could
       just kick everything off and go do anything from the start. I
       looked at the emptiness of my life and felt grateful for the
       first time for losing something.
       Then, I've decided to get away from everyone I know for just a
       bit. With a R$1000 I could go to a place more away from city and
       spend some time. I had no plans of what to do when I get there,
       I just bought the bus ticket and reserved an hostel. when to
       return or what to do I didn't even know. It happened that this
       trip was fucking awesome. At the start, I was afraid of many
       things, I don't know, so many fears. But as time passed on the
       first day, I knew that all I needed was, like one of the hostel
       people taking care said, let everything flow. So there it went,
       slowly I've let it flow, and stuff happened everyday, like all
       the beauty of just forget about the future. What happened there
       I never got to describe in words. Later, I was invited to a
       buddhist retreat. So I went. And I got to talk to the guru after
       the event. Just a normal talk, but at one moment, I had to ask
       about my insatisfaction. About not having what I wanted. About
       being needy. So I felt bad sometimes. He then said that I needed
       to embrace the feeling and then release it. Then the feeling was
       exactly the insatisfaction of not getting what I want. Of not
       controlling what happened to me. Then the click was when he said
       "then you release the control". When he said it, in those
       circumstances, it was profound to me. I understood, only in
       these words, that no real control exists. It was like a summary
       of my trip. You're happy with the car you just bought one day,
       and the other day you're sad because your car is ruined on an
       accident. You're all right one day, the other you may die from
       infection. You've got university and work and one day you are
       with nothing.
       So then, I started to get rid of the illusion of control. It was
       on the way back that someone showed me the "Enlightenment
       Trilogy". It was funny. We were coming back to where I live, but
       on the way the car overheated, and we had to stop in his place
       and rest for the night. The other day, I was talking about
       buddhism and the enlightenment that was said sometimes there,
       and then he showed me the first book. With the disclaimer, I
       understood that this was the real deal. No spiritual bs, just
       the practical stuff. It took some time to read the books, and
       had a hard time with misunderstanding. Many things I couldn't
       just understand. At the same time, I was trying to understand
       the world without the need of controlling it. It was a slow
       process. I think I'm still in this process, getting to rely on
       God or something that deals the cards in this life.
       Last month, after finishing the fall, I understood what means
       that my ego means nothing. I have no need to hold the mask of a
       nice person, or smart person, or anything. I am an actor, but
       now I know that I am not the character. So here I am now,
       getting along with this new perception, the two main statements
       that changed my life.
       1. No control exists.
       2. I am not the character. I am acting, and I act as it suits
       me, but the acting means nothing.
       Then, I am right now in this place, getting to fit these ideas
       in my perception. Sometimes I try to explain this to a friend or
       anyone, but it always ends up with misunderstanding or something
       like this. The only friend that got the nearest said that I lost
       my will to get better in life, and that I accepted losing. It
       was the nearest way to describe my place in the ego-bound
       perception right now. I don't want to get a job anymore. Money
       comes as I do a work here and there, and it's all I need. I
       don't have any plans for the future. It was okay, but I needed
       something to pass the time, so I went back to university. It is
       free here, you just have to pass a test, so I could study math,
       which is fun. No responsibilities, except that if I get bad
       grades now, I'll be kicked out again. Okay. Not giving a shit
       anymore.
       This is my story. I try to find what was I seeking all this
       time, and looks like it is not truth, or human adulthood, or
       happiness, hell, I know I was seeking something, like getting
       rid of the itch on my mind. I am like staring at the horizon
       right now, with nothing to do, just chill here in life,
       sometimes getting pissed off, but not taking it personally, and
       sometimes all alone, which is good when I am not with the need
       of a person to be with me, sometimes I want to just have someone
       to talk. I don't have any plans for the future and if I need I'd
       live in a cardboard box, but luckily I don't, I'm almost 21 and
       don't plan to live more than 40 years. Just wanna have some fun,
       sometimes get laid and get some good pleasure from life.
       So, Jed, I know I am not done yet. And there is still some fear
       in me, I can go Further, but I don't feel like it right now. I
       think I will finish university and then live somewhere closer to
       nature, I don't know. What is your take on this journey, Jed? I
       wanted to know how close I am to not having any fear, I still
       tend to feel bad about rejection, like when I meet a woman and
       she doesn't feels like going out with me. But don't take it
       personally anymore. It's just life doing life stuff. But it's
       probably what bothers me the most. I am concerned about
       rejection more than loneliness (because the feeling of
       loneliness comes only with rejection first. No rejection, I am
       alone, rejected I am lonely.)
       #Post#: 753--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Barros
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: September 7, 2014, 11:06 am
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       Hi Barros:
       Thank you for your sincere sharing. I enjoyed reading it, but
       that's not really the point of all this.
       Kick in the pants time. You don't need to do anything. You still
       have a little control thing going on and it manifest with girls.
       I think all humans have some of that, very deep.
       You really don't have any control, so what does it matter if
       someone is pretending to love you or not. It's a fine place to
       be and the less you care the more chance of something worthwhile
       coming your way.
       I think you should just keep on doing what you are doing. It
       sounds like a wonderful way to spend your youth and trust that
       what you need to learn or experience will come your way on it
       owns. All we can ever do is try to push it away, block it or
       control it. Not a great strategy but you know that already. You
       would be called a 'greenhorn' in the cowboy days, but you should
       consider yourself a pretty lucky greenhorn.
       Write as you feel inclined.
       Love ya, Jed.
       #Post#: 770--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Barros
   DIR By: Barros
       Date: September 7, 2014, 7:42 pm
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       It's really deep, one of the problems is the hope. Hope is a
       very convincing delusion... It's very easy to believe something
       will go as I wanted sometimes.
       I see you used the word "pretending". I think I know what you're
       saying, that in fact, to feel satisfaction, I don't even need to
       have real love, if it exists, just the pretending. Is that what
       you're saying? Can you talk more about this?
       #Post#: 782--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Barros
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: September 8, 2014, 1:17 am
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       Dear Barros:
       As long as there is a 'you' there is pretending. That's all a
       'you' can ever do. We all pretend to a greater or lesser degree.
       A truly T/R person doesn't need to pretend. They can if they
       want, but then they are only pretending to pretend, usually with
       the goal of moving someone who is stuck.
       Don't try to figure too much out because 'you' can't. Just relax
       and breath. It will come to you.
       Love ya, Jed.
       #Post#: 810--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Barros
   DIR By: Barros
       Date: September 8, 2014, 7:04 am
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       I know I am not attached to the character. I don't hold any
       masks of a smart person anymore, nor try to manipulate what
       people think about me. I think this is the pretending, which I
       don't do anymore, at least i am not aware of doing this. That's
       what people around me do, try to hide flaws and show qualities,
       when I don't even think a flaw is a flaw, nor a quality is a
       quality.
       This is what I've understood so far. Sometimes I think I've
       understood what I need so far in the matter of self, but as you
       can see, I've got some things to work yet.
       So this isn't what you mean with no-self, right? It makes sense,
       it is more about not trying to control too. LuckiIy I am in no
       hurry, I'll take my time to figure out this stuff by myself.
       #Post#: 1086--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Barros
   DIR By: Barros
       Date: September 14, 2014, 7:52 am
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       So I am here. I am questioning what I know so far. What I really
       learned till today, like, what is so special in what I know?
       There were many things I learned. However, it can be summarized
       in - no control is possible, and terms like future, dignity,
       honor are mere human constructions.
       What changed in my actual world with these facts? It made many
       questions about our society not to be answered, but to be proven
       that they make no sense at all. These questions about poverty,
       wars, religion, it is all originated by fear and illusion of
       control. So that's a reason that I think sometimes I've made
       enough progress in life. The answers I sought were just found by
       the destruction of the illusion of control. However, I still
       find that I've got some conflicts, and I try to go further
       inside those to have a better view of my inner world.
       I understand that the concept of no-self is what is missing to
       understand another part of what's going on. But it's funny how
       real the human drama feels from here. It's like I don't want to
       see that there's no one... Is the price of self-unknowing so
       high that I don't want to pay it?
       I want to know what the hell I've learned so far. I know there
       is something that makes my world different from the world of
       people around me. However, I don't know exactly what it is.
       Nothing changed, except that the war against the world is over,
       there is nothing to win anymore, and nothing to lose anymore.
       Before I needed to fight against everything to conquer my world,
       get the perfect job, the perfect wife, the perfect house. Now I
       just dropped the sword and the enemies turned into flowers
       around me.
       In the place I am now, I see not many people that share the same
       view as me. In fact, I don't know anyone who got this far too.
       But where I live, it's like I am out of place, like a tree in
       the middle of the desert. Everyone has the wrong idea of
       control.
       Where are those people who stopped trying to control?
       What am I now?
       Is HA at the end the road I am going?
       #Post#: 1091--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Barros
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: September 14, 2014, 8:38 am
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       Hi Barros:
       I think one of your challenges is you think there are other
       people in the world. Not so, there is the appearance of others
       in you. Forget about others and control issues. Of course the
       human drama feels real, because you still think you are real.
       Your mind may reason that you don't exist but you still believe
       you do. Find you and let me know where it starts and stops, what
       shape and color it is and how old it is.
       Love ya, Jed.
       #Post#: 1102--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Barros
   DIR By: Barros
       Date: September 14, 2014, 12:00 pm
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       But then... this is probably the only thing that I used to give
       meaning to what I've been doing... Why would "I", I mean, why
       would knowing this solve my questions? I have no idea... I can't
       prove you are right unless I go and do it. But there's a price
       to all this, a price that is real to me, no matter how useless
       illusion is. I should really give time to think about this.
       #Post#: 2310--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Barros
   DIR By: Barros
       Date: October 6, 2014, 6:38 am
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       Yeah, when you said to give time, it makes sense. All the human
       drama, all the conflicts, all the suffering, it all is just a
       consequence of the false belief that "I" need to have a specific
       set of characteristics that we call "personality". When someone
       says "I'd NEVER eat poo", they think that "I" should never eat
       poo because this is a characteristic of the "I". What would
       happen if someday, sometime, this person actually have to eat
       poo? It would be an identity crisis. The person would prefer die
       or kill rather than contradict the belief that "I" should never
       eat poo. Or maybe I am exaggerating and it just would be very
       unpleasant to eat poo.
       And this belief is intimately related to morals, honor, dignity,
       and human values that has no meaning whatsoever. So then, we
       create rules to try to fit everyone on these standards, laws,
       ethics, and then everyone needs to have its own mask, its own
       identity, and expect that their masks will be recognized and
       respected.
       I am less and less fond of society, and all of its bullshit, all
       the vanity. I am struggling to not leaving society and live on a
       cave, I've got my mask, and I act as the mask looks like, but I
       know that it's just a mask, and it bothers me.
       On the other side, I am trying to understand what happens in the
       works of my perception. I figured that what is in my world is
       continually distorted by the emotions that I feel. Enraged, the
       world changes. In love, I've got another world. Drunk, another
       world. And it all changes from day to night. There's no fixed
       world. I can live in heaven and hell at the same day.
       I realize that my desire is what moves me. But desire is
       never-ending, never satisfied. And I know this, but I can't help
       but follow desire. Desire is fear. But fear of what? Of no self?
       What am I trying to hide from?
       #Post#: 2691--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Barros
   DIR By: Barros
       Date: October 11, 2014, 9:54 am
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       !!!!
       So that is what it means. Hell, when we mean I am Consciousness,
       it's plain and simple. I am animating this body. I am not this
       body. I have no relation with this body except that my
       consciousness is givin life to it. When this body fades, what
       will happen? Will my consciousness animate another body? A
       baron? A thief? A dog? A bug?
       Doesn't matter, what I have now is this body, and when seeking
       desire, I seek satisfaction for this body, not Consciousness. My
       body was thinking it was my consciousness and vice versa. When
       suffering, it is my body. When pleased, it is my body being
       pleased. As of my consciousness, there is Emptiness giving life
       to the body.
       I have no idea of what I just discovered means. Nothing,
       perhaps?
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