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       #Post#: 5896--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Zade
   DIR By: Plugturtle
       Date: December 7, 2014, 4:20 am
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       simple but perfect advice, to get past my stone in the road i
       just had to relax for a moment instead of rack my thoughts for
       an answer i just had to relax and see my thought process as it
       is,  an imaginary thought although im still linking the thoughts
       ti some emotions and that must be whats keeping me grounded as
       ego. but then im identifying with this thought process.  wow
       theres actually alot of poopoo in my head.
       #Post#: 5909--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Zade
   DIR By: Plugturtle
       Date: December 7, 2014, 12:47 pm
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       i find it very hard to get myself to do things these days. i
       feel i should be doing something but i cant figure out what. i
       always get into these lazy,  do nothing mindsets where i feel
       kinda lost and empty and then i see things clearly and in no
       time im lost again. no idea where im going with all this and i
       dont know if im even making any progress.  you say in your book
       that you should be able to look back and see how far youve come
       and see all the bs youve discarded but i cant see anything that
       ive achieved.  theres literally nothing to show for myself but
       theres still a me.  i dont know what me is  but theres this
       really strong belief that if i dont look after me there will be
       chaos and ill just end up at Rock bottom.
       am i wasting my time jed?
       i dont know if it's easy to tell from your end of things
       exactly what's going on in my mind but I've tried to explain.
       #Post#: 5911--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Zade
   DIR By: Plugturtle
       Date: December 7, 2014, 1:11 pm
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       how can there not be a me, how else would this be typed? i am
       the one making this typing happen, i cant get my head around it.
       if i had an explanation for why i didnt exist would that even
       make me think that i didnt exist because that explanation would
       leave a product. it would leave a belief and beliefs determine
       how we think not what we see. so how the fuck am i supposed to
       see what im already seeing. i know its supposed to be simple but
       its really not jumping out at me. you say theres no me but how
       can that be true. i cant comprehend it, i dont see me as my
       beliefs and my hobbys or any of that. i see me as every stream
       of thought that i believe to be me.
       finding it hard to cope with the logical mind, is there even any
       logic to it because im pretty sure i contradicted myself a few
       times there.
       #Post#: 5913--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Zade
   DIR By: Plugturtle
       Date: December 7, 2014, 1:20 pm
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       i get quite anxious when i start doing spiritual autolyis(if
       thats what im doing) because i just feel like i know nothing.
       after reading a small amount of books on TR i had a good
       intellectual grasp on what it is and i can say that i want it
       but tbh i dont know if its even what im looking for. I want to
       be involved in effortless flow of experience. thats really my
       goal. ive experienced this before where things are just clear
       and non threatening. where theres nothing to lose, i want to
       enjoy living and not be restricted by "me".
       #Post#: 5949--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Zade
   DIR By: Plugturtle
       Date: December 8, 2014, 3:23 pm
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       ive never known if i really want enlightenment i mean i dont
       even know what its lile to be enlightened.  i hope it to be
       better than my current living,  be more effortless,  carefree
       and flowing.  i want to really live and experience real life.
       by real life i mean whats actually real.  i dont however want it
       so bad that id go downstairs and shoot everyone in my family.
       ive felt pushed towards enlightenment before but ive never been
       pushed so far that the ball has kept rolling.  i get pushed into
       a corner i escape the corner by autolysis and than im left back
       to stationary mode.  its when im in bad situations that i can
       rise above but only for so long,  once i rise above something(
       see it for what it is)  i chill out and revert back to ordinary
       sleep mode.  is there any way to actually just plow the f**k
       through it without making so many stops?  any way to get the
       same push that i get in bad situations into my good situations,
       because when im happy i dont want anything that bad.
       #Post#: 6056--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Zade
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: December 10, 2014, 9:45 am
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       Got it, now further.
       Love ya, Jed.
       #Post#: 6063--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Zade
   DIR By: Plugturtle
       Date: December 10, 2014, 10:08 am
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       What exactly is the first Step Jed?
       #Post#: 6070--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Zade
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: December 10, 2014, 10:40 am
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       Let's keep it simple. You showed up here... we could call that
       the first step.
       Love ya, Jed.
       #Post#: 6194--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Zade
   DIR By: Plugturtle
       Date: December 11, 2014, 1:49 pm
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       feel like im seeing through a load of bullshit for the first
       time in a long while
       #Post#: 6195--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Zade
   DIR By: Plugturtle
       Date: December 11, 2014, 1:56 pm
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       i can now attempt to view experience as it is without overlayed
       beliefs.  still alot of identification happening but i can enter
       this more authentic view where there is experience or
       consciousness as it is and if a thought arises and i see it for
       what it is and i can remain in this way for a short while but im
       still here note and those moments don't last nearly as long as
       normal me is operating .
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