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#Post#: 9933--------------------------------------------------
Re: Self Enquiry, Memento mori and questions
By: JulianG Date: March 6, 2015, 11:31 am
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Dejar Jed,
Nothing is different as all is made of the same stuff (levels of
importance given to symbols).
How do you reconcile knowing that but still experiencing the
ilussion?
What's the point of living if nothing's important?
What's the point if there's no point at all?
Thanks for your pointers....
#Post#: 9942--------------------------------------------------
Re: Self Enquiry, Memento mori and questions
By: Jed McKenna Date: March 6, 2015, 9:06 pm
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Good questions:
The trick is to go right through... and realizing that while
there is no meaning inherent in anything or anyone, no point to
anything, you are now in the position of knowing what is and
being able to create any of the preceding for your own
entertainment, and perhaps for the entertainment of others. It
is true freedom.
Love ya, Jed.
#Post#: 9966--------------------------------------------------
Re: Self Enquiry, Memento mori and questions
By: JulianG Date: March 8, 2015, 9:54 am
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Dear Jed,
thoughts and emotions come and go. Now "I'm" looking at the
world (out there) with different eyes, as trying to understand
the lack of substance of everything and how come things are
still "there" but without thoughts there's no separation or
differences...... The boomerang always comes back to "me":
"Who is experiencing all of this?" ---- a bunch of symbols which
believes that is creating a symbolic structure solid enough to
support "true things".
"Who is trying to understand or make a point?"-----the symbolic
fella again.... and there's no point of making more symbols or
arrange old ones together as they're just words and have no
bedrock.
Sometimes "I" get involved in the drama brought by "situations"
or interactions with "others" and the boomerang keeps coming
back afterwards...... "Who is experiencing this?"
#Post#: 9983--------------------------------------------------
Re: Self Enquiry, Memento mori and questions
By: Jed McKenna Date: March 9, 2015, 1:39 am
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Let go of trying to understand. It's all here but trying to
understand will block it.
Love ya, Jed.
#Post#: 10024--------------------------------------------------
Re: Self Enquiry, Memento mori and questions
By: JulianG Date: March 10, 2015, 10:46 pm
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Hi Jed,
just wanted to share some experiences with SA:
"I" end drawing a circle with an arrow similar to the recycling
logo. It is like and endless cycle of symbols were each word has
a recall function of the other so it has no beginning or end
(damn...no snake head to be cut).
Inside this logo there's a humanoid silhouette (Julian)
surrounded by other symbols (Julian's thoughts) and the words:
universe, fear, desires, emotions, problems, happiness, others,
freedom, space, time, reality, life, death, .....everything.
This graphic can be anything (dot, square, Obama,#,??) just as
the symbols inside the circle. Then "I" draw a tiny dot which
represents the whole thing. That's it and that's all: a
tiny-insignificant dot......" . "
Having "your" whole life (past, present,future, dreams and
goals) and reality reduced to a tiny dot can be pretty
depressing. Everything is a tiny point:a pointless dot.....
(pointless-point ???) " . "
Wait a minute,,,, depression?? it can mean/be anything( #, abcd,
religion,?, Chinese food) and could be inside or not our " . "
just as "I" am.... " . "
There's no point to add more knowledge or chase ghosts
(happiness,dreams)....
Jed, what about experiences...??? "I" guess they belong inside
the circle ( " . ") .... so, what about T/R?---it can't be found
inside Julian's dot. "I" guess again that it is not an
experience......
then the dot or whatever collapses as a house of cards and
sometimes fades away. Still working on letting go of " . "
,,meanwhile.. mind still tries to make sense and also reminding
"me" what's important: "you better go back inside our beloved
recycling logo", "you have to solve this", "pay attention to
that", "bad things could happen"...etc....
On the other hand, "I've" been feeling a little bit estrange a
kind of empty mixed with some sadness.... don't know how to
describe it.
Getting deeper into the rabbit hole but it seems that it has no
substance as well, there's no bottom...?
Too many questions :P and all this blah blah and metaphors are
the best way to share for the moment... Thanks for your
pointers......
#Post#: 10073--------------------------------------------------
Re: Self Enquiry, Memento mori and questions
By: Jed McKenna Date: March 14, 2015, 12:43 pm
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Thanks for sharing that Julian. Further....
Love ya, Jed.
#Post#: 10158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Self Enquiry, Memento mori and questions
By: JulianG Date: March 16, 2015, 11:27 am
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Dear Jed,
if nothing's important, if there's no point at all then why
"I'm" still involved emotionally with thoughts?
Is it a matter of choice?..... ???... "choice" and "why" are
symbols with an "importance" attached to them just like
everything that can be "known".... :-\
well.... "I" can artificially create a definition to "know": the
art of giving importance to separations that have no foundation
but they're still there....where??---inside the assumption that
there's a reality composed of space and time which at the same
"time" are made of the same "divisions" of nothing.......
then.. "I": a bunch of images and words... ::)
It seems that trying to make sense or knowing the truth just
bring more symbols on top of symbols....language as a tool of
perception----perceive fake separations of a void, emptiness,
etc (whatever metaphor to describe something which can't be
described)......we ("humans": symbols) could try any word or any
symbol here like "void" which implies that there's a void and
the rest (SEPARATION ;D)
so, the door isn't here (reality/universe....etc created by
language).... where is it?
#Post#: 10171--------------------------------------------------
Re: Self Enquiry, Memento mori and questions
By: Jed McKenna Date: March 17, 2015, 2:09 am
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Game hint: Find here.
Love ya, Jed.
#Post#: 11061--------------------------------------------------
Re: Self Enquiry, Memento mori and questions
By: JulianG Date: April 15, 2015, 9:21 pm
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Dear Jed,
There's no here as it has to be an experiencer "I" in order to
conceive, experience or think about here. Its all made up of
concepts but there's a body with juliang's identity still "here"
trying find something true ??? Which can't be true if its made
up language?
#Post#: 11074--------------------------------------------------
Re: Self Enquiry, Memento mori and questions
By: Jed McKenna Date: April 16, 2015, 4:09 am
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No language or words are true. It's impossible.
Love ya, Jed.
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