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       Re: Jed rant: Measuring where you are and the Nav Series
   DIR By: rgardner
       Date: December 15, 2014, 3:43 pm
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       And instructions on how to do this on the forum ???
       I be such and such
       or what?
       #Post#: 6522--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed rant: Measuring where you are and the Nav Series
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: December 16, 2014, 12:44 am
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       Let me ask you a question, do you see thing, qualities, traits,
       in others that they don't see? How can this be, don't you know
       you? Fact is, you know one a few facets of you. Want to learn
       more, look around and stop talking about yourself, ask about
       yourself, and then STFU and listen.
       Jed's twelve step program to eliminate Jed and all twelve step
       programs.
       Love ya, Jed.
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       Re: Jed rant: Measuring where you are and the Nav Series
   DIR By: ramennoodle
       Date: December 16, 2014, 2:16 am
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       "Want to learn more, look around and stop talking about
       yourself, ask about yourself, and then STFU and listen."
       Ha! When you look in the mirror, please look at your own
       reflection :P
       #Post#: 6535--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed rant: Measuring where you are and the Nav Series
   DIR By: rgardner
       Date: December 16, 2014, 3:13 am
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       Jed,
       Very poignant reply.
       Makes sense to gather external view points for a complete view.
       I'm on it ;D
       #Post#: 6692--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed rant: Measuring where you are and the Nav Series
   DIR By: guest89
       Date: December 17, 2014, 6:18 pm
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       --- Quote ---
       >  It requires input from you, and as a balancing mechanism,
       from some friends and/or acquaintances.
       --- End Quote ---
       Without more detail to go on, it looks similar in species to
       what they call a "360 review" in business management and HR
       circles: where you're asked to appraise your performance at
       work, while the people who interface with you are also asked
       about how you're doing: strengths, weaknesses, the like.
       In civilian terms however, it seems like a tool for helping to
       paint a self-portrait.
       The question it begs in our context is: why? What is the
       spiritual function of walking through the The Six Blind Sages
       and The Elephant exercise...on what's like a first step of the
       spiritual pathway: seeing through the illusion that there even
       is a self?
       #Post#: 6698--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed rant: Measuring where you are and the Nav Series
   DIR By: SplashArtist
       Date: December 17, 2014, 9:31 pm
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       --- Quote from: rgardner link ---
       >
       > Jed,
       >
       > Very poignant reply.
       >
       > Makes sense to gather external view points for a complete
       view.  I'm on it ;D
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       There is no complete point of view. Just points of view, all
       completely empty.
       You know yourself vicariously through others. All illusion.
       The show must go on though.
       #Post#: 6699--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed rant: Measuring where you are and the Nav Series
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: December 17, 2014, 10:24 pm
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       Is that your point of view Spash? Sounds valid to me.
       Love ya, Jed.
       #Post#: 6711--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed rant: Measuring where you are and the Nav Series
   DIR By: SplashArtist
       Date: December 17, 2014, 11:29 pm
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       --- Quote from: Jed McKenna link ---
       >
       > Is that your point of view Spash? Sounds valid to me.
       >
       > Love ya, Jed.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Hahaha yes indeed
       #Post#: 6753--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed rant: Measuring where you are and the Nav Series
   DIR By: WakeMe
       Date: December 18, 2014, 11:49 am
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       When I want to find out what others think of me, I just look to
       see what I'm experiencing with others. If you ask them, its hard
       for them to be honest to your face because they don't understand
       why they feel as they do. Plus they don't want to run the risk
       of being wrong or sounding like a hypocrite. Your flaws is their
       flaws and they know it - kinda like "it takes one to know one".
       I can go down the list with everyone that's in my life: E.g.: If
       I experience my mother as kind and loving, then I'm kind and
       loving to her; similarly, if I experience my coworker as
       arrogant and rude, then I'm arrogant and rude to my coworker.
       I'm being what I experience and vice versa.
       Anyway, it's subtle and can be easily dismissed as personality
       traits or flaws, but when I question my motives, I can see it's
       me pulling the strings.
       So, maybe we can measure our selves by measuring our
       experiences, our environment, our pain, joy, etc.?
       #Post#: 6754--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Jed rant: Measuring where you are and the Nav Series
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: December 18, 2014, 12:07 pm
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       This is by no means an absolute measure as that would be pretty
       much impossible. But it did cause you to reflect a little which
       is part of my goal, a secret goal.
       Love ya, Jed.
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