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Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
DIR By: Reflow
Date: December 12, 2014, 3:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Jed McKenna link ---
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> Dear Mischa and Know:
>
> Thank you for you thoughtful responses. Old tech for sure.
Here I go...
>
> Mischa, you said, learn how to stop resisting. How? It's a
setup to resist resisting. Round and round it goes. This is the
point... all systems currently available are based on subtle
tricks of Maya/ego to keep you in the fight and thinking you are
making headway. And then, like Know said, after a number of
years of therapy and hard work you make some headway. I don't
deny that for a moment, you certainly can. But you can also walk
from New York to California in about the same time, or take more
modern transportation. Most therapy is complete b.s. because any
good therapy puts one out of business quickly. It's not rocket
science, I'd call it stupid science and then drop the word
science.
>
> Love ya, Jed.
>
--- End Quote ---
There isn't resist, resisting can only be done against a
illusion.
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Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
DIR By: Misha
Date: December 12, 2014, 3:31 pm
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Hi Jed,
Well, in my experience there is ONE "choice," and ONE only: You
either open to what is within, or you don't.
(It's NOT rocket science.) The resistance is technically beside
the point--and if it's MADE the point, it cannot be burned
through no matter what, b/c whatever is frontally faced just
gets bigger/stronger. All energies are this way, everything is
this way. "Opening to resistance" is not the same as "trying to
get rid of the resistance," it's the opposite. If there is
resistance within to the resistance, then you just open to the
resistance to the resistance. I think every body knows how to
open, actually. It's just The Scariest Thing to most, bc it's
total vulnerability. Ahab was Ahabian because he went
Uber-Uber-Vulnerable (that's what it feels like to be
Uber-Uber-Vulnerable...and there's an instinct telling us to
HIDE IT from others consequently...).
So getting back to what goes with that one choice: You can't
open to what's within unless you look and see it (have awareness
of it)--and sometimes Destiny will put it in front of you (bring
it into your awareness for you) in such a way that you cannot
avoid looking at it in a big way (a lot of it all at once) that
blasts a whole lot at once (IF you make the choice to open to
it, rather than protect yourself from it by projecting more
stuff onto it)--but most of the time you have to have a
willingness to look and see, an intention to look and see, and
the scathing honesty w/ the self to keep at it, to withstand the
burn that happens when you do it (sounds like another "choice"
but it's not--it's really just a part of the other "choice"
mentioned above). This is why it's said, "the truth hurts."
Once you are REALLY REALLY looking for it, everything in the
whole world starts pointing to it (to what all's within),
causing things to happen that make the view clearer to the same
degree there is a willingness/intention to see it.
One thing a lot of people do is this: If they don't understand
it, if they don't recognize it, if they don't have a "handle" on
it in their awareness, they won't open to it (choice). They
think instinctively they should not open to things they don't
have at least some sense of (of what it is they're opening to).
Well, fine, but that is just going to create LOOOONG delays.
Maybe forever-delays. You don't have to know what it is or what
it means to open to whatever is...whatever is within (whatever
is without is going to have repercussions/answering movement(s)
within a personhood, so it's not necessary to even talk about
"opening to whatever is without").
And here's where Bernadette R's whole thing about living-full-on
(tho she doesn't say it that way) comes in: The more you put
yourself into whatever you do (including putting yourself "out
there," taking risks, especially the risk of "being seen" etc.),
the more all the pointers on the outside (and in your awareness)
start to point to what is within you. There to be seen, for the
rest of the work--of opening to it.
But if you are miserable enough to begin with, all you have to
do is LOOK and everything in there with the burn-power is right
there to be seen (even if not understood). At least at first.
So psychology as a practice kind of has its "first step"
right--you have to look in there and see what's going on. But
you don't have to untangle it, see who is responsible for it,
who put it there, what it means, why it hurts, etc (that is all
just distraction, and dilutes the energy that arises with a GONG
upon first-seeing something--and the bigger the GONG the hotter
the burn-power if it can be opened to while that GONG is
happening!). Thereafter is where psychology as a practice
becomes useless, just more of the same story-making.
When I was first getting...um...acquainted with the Ahab-state
it felt fairly quickly like there was suddenly no "within" to
see, but there was/is--it was just way emptier than I was
accustomed to so it SEEMED like there was nothing there. And
EVEN WHEN IT FEELS LIKE THERE IS NOTHING WITHIN--that feeling of
there being nothing within is then what has to be opened to.
And it will do its de-composition-job just fine, just like
anything else opened-to.
Until what?--until there's nothing left in the bowl? Naw.
(Although that is what instinct says/suggests.)
Until there is no more bowl.
In fact, if there is still at all the feeling of there being a
within (even a BONE-DRY, CAVERNOUS EMPTY within), the bowl is
still there. So the self is still there.
Hot damn.
Did you glaze over? :) If so, bummer. But still...maybe it
was useful to others besides just me....
Oh, and fyi I am a different personhood than Mischa. (I did not
join twice with slightly different spelling of my name.)
--Misha
#Post#: 6272--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: December 12, 2014, 4:23 pm
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Mischa:
Remember, 250 word max... I gone on snooze if more.
Love ya, Jed.
#Post#: 6273--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
DIR By: kozi
Date: December 12, 2014, 4:42 pm
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How do you take the "ME" out of the story is the biggest
question in the whole wide world? Using your thinking facility?
#Post#: 6276--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
DIR By: Tony
Date: December 12, 2014, 10:06 pm
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I would say by repeated awareness of the thinking functions and
its effects
#Post#: 6282--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: December 13, 2014, 1:10 am
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Blah, blah, blah, blah. STOP! JUST STOP FOR A MOMENT...
breathe... look at what is aware, not a thought, not a feeling,
not any thing, just be aware of what is aware. Hold that
position... steady now.... just looking or feeling.. what sees,
feels, hears... it has nothing to do with eyes or ears or
skin... they are just concepts... be aware of that which is
always there and always aware and always everywhere... just
allow it all to be as it is...
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
DIR By: Catfish
Date: December 13, 2014, 3:20 am
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:-*
#Post#: 6289--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
DIR By: Matt Ricks
Date: December 13, 2014, 7:03 am
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Hi Jed, I read your rant twice, but couldn't realize what is the
winning technique to disbelieve thoughts?
Maybe it was just a promo to the Nav series? Sometimes I have
difficulties with English and understanding your American slang
(though it's charming in a way).
I am stuck with the belief that consciousness is here, or starts
from this body, but the mountain is over there. Shortly -
space/distance.
I'm stuck with more beliefs, but I'd like to focus on ths one
because it's always interfering the "what am I" question.
I found no way to disbelieve beliefs other than looking again
and again at direct experience (sometimes hundreds times). I
imagine it as a melting process. I think it works, but very
slowly.
Can you share your tecqnique or give some hint? :)
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Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: December 13, 2014, 7:14 am
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Dear Matt:
It is covered in the Nav Series and while quite simple and
straightforward there are extensive and precise instructions on
doing. In addition, it will be a component in Skype
conversations and the ashram.
Love ya, Jed.
#Post#: 6294--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: December 13, 2014, 8:02 am
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Mork:
There are some similarities and some differences. (hey Jed,
great guru b.s.)
love ya, Jed.
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