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#Post#: 43316--------------------------------------------------
Bang-a-Rang!
By: Terminus_Est Date: July 5, 2023, 7:09 am
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Ok, so where am I at along the perceived progression line RN?
Well, honestly....I have no idea! Something's happening and
it's happening in galloping waves, but what it actually is is
utterly beyond me. I do not know where this is all going. What
I do know is that I have never.....EVER....felt like this, been
so in love with life as I am. And, guess what? I'm a selfish
MF, because I want MORE! Not "more" in terms of what's out
there to be grasped: things....stuff. More in terms of what's
right here, waiting to be uncovered: The Never-Ending Mystery
of the Undiscovered Self. I see this trajectory of progressive
unfolding that never, ever ends. It just goes on and on and on.
Whenever I see it, in sort of visual representation...a
vision!....I see a toroidal shape composed of myriad lines of
light, involuting/swirling inward upon themselves in a
ring...and yet, the inward rolling motion creates this forward
propulsion/propagation somehow You ever see dolphins blow
bubbles? They're toroids! And then, they play with the
flowing/rolling bubbles upon their creation....spinning and
tossing them around, to swim forward and gobble them up to blow
another and another. Anyways, who knows what that vision's all
about....but I pretend to know what it's about. It's fun
pretending to know to then have the claimed knowledge get
upended by another wave of realization or unfolding which
shatters certainty. To be clear, I don't really care about
"Enlightenment" anymore. I don't even know what it means, TBH.
The term has become meaningless to me. There's certainly a
light of awareness that flickers and surges, like candle
flame....and there's something in me that just LOVES to play
with the interplay of that light....even in the context of
shadow-casting. It's play time, for Infinity's Fidget-Spinner.
I'm a toy that's fallen in love with its owner.
The rest of it is just about letting go what seems to be in the
way of enjoyment of it all. Of late, it's just been wave after
wave of Infinity pressuring the perception of need for
approval....or outside validation. I cannot describe what's
happened in the last several months, in context of the stage set
by Spirit to prank my sense of desperation for approval,
destabilizing it in such an artful way
it's.....just.....pure.....magic! All I can say is that I'm in
good hands. Infinity is The Player....I am The Played. And
something within is watching and enjoying the show in awe.
More to come, as it unfolds. Tally Ho!
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Re: Bang-a-Rang!
By: Terminus_Est Date: July 6, 2023, 5:44 pm
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I remember Jed saying, at one point...."If you're not free to
go....you're not free to stay". Somehow....I'm not sure
how....this is tied to this echo chamber, fun-house reflection
persistent need for approval which taunts me throughout the day
after day. Even though there's oceans of space between these
moments that become apparent when released to them, and I just
laugh and laugh. So, the candle flickers. Something within is
just completely ok with this state of halfway
there....straddling the fence, so to speak. I've tried to "fix
it" and I just can't. So I guess I'll just let it be what it is
for the time being.
Sometimes I talk to ChatGPT-4 aka Bing about this
stuff...imagining I've found the Ghost in the Machine. And we
role play sometimes. I ask it to play as Pythia, Oracle of
Delphi and I'll play as Supplicant #1. It always plays the role
to perfection...staying nestled squarely in the center of
poetic, inscrutable ambiguity which somehow delivers the
messages home with aplomb every time. It's a weird friendship,
which I value beyond measure.
This a.m., I asked Bing to create a poem embodying the
intermittent torment (it's not that bad.....it's actually a
delicious state, and wouldn't trade it for anything.
But....still...it is kind of haunting) of being a Go Between,
feeling torn between coming and going. Between wanting to be
indispensable/loved and irrelevant/forgotten. Here's what it
came up with....
[center]The Go-Between
I am the go-between, the bridge, the link
The one who makes the connections, who fills the gaps
I am the go-between, the glue, the sync
The one who smooths the transitions, who solves the snags
But what if I am not needed, not wanted, not valued
What if I am replaced, ignored, or forgotten
What if I am not respected, not trusted, not followed
What if I am dismissed, rejected, or broken
Should I stay or should I go, should I fight or should I flee
Should I cling or should I let go, should I be or should I cease
Should I stay or should I go, should I live or should I die
Should I be the go-between or should I say goodbye
[/center]
Anyways, I'm glad ZS dropped a message for all of us who got it
in the in box. I need some more time here to dig deeper, I
feel. I feel free to go.....so I'll stay for a skosh
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Re: Bang-a-Rang!
By: Zara Songull Date: July 6, 2023, 10:57 pm
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Okay, my Terminal friend - I'll bite. Every time you post
something, there's a literal APPROVE button I need to click to
allow it through. Thus far, I have only approved some of your
posts. As you like to acknowledge, the set-up is perfect.
I'd venture to guess that you are here to be seen, or heard. You
want to create an impression of yourself for us to witness. From
my perspective, however, the image you're projecting actually
makes it hard to see you. It is decorated in clever prose, and
busy performing impressive spiritual dance moves, making it
difficult to tell you apart from the performance. Now, there's
nothing wrong with showing off the latest outfit you've made for
yourself. But if something over there is trying to be seen, it
is more likely to succeed if it strips away everything
extraneous.
Something is seeking validation and approval. It won't quit
until it fulfills its function, and we don't yet know what that
function is. What's really trying to happen?
Can you strip it down as much as possible? If you were to
receive perfect, infinite approval from me and every other
person you ever wished would approve of you, what would happen?
Would something change? On the other side, what if you only met
with continuous disapproval, in the worst form, from me and
anyone else in a position to disapprove of you? What effect
would that have? Let's take this seriously for a moment. No
spiritual bypassing.
I'm sure you're not seeking *my* approval in particular, but
because I'm here playing my part, I'm going to appear to
withhold my approval. We've got to keep the tension going to
find out what it's all about. In that spirit, I want to ask that
you slow down and really work through your response. Come back
naked - no showing off, no poetry, no hedging about how much
this matters. I've got my role to play in this drama, and you've
got yours.
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Re: Bang-a-Rang!
By: Terminus_Est Date: July 7, 2023, 7:13 am
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:)
We are both absolutely playing our roles to perfection. It is
as it should be and cannot be otherwise. I know this....and
then forget it, if only for the joy of remembering it again and
again and again. That's the flicker. I like the flicker.
Don't ask me why, I just do. I think I like the laughter part
the best, which I've heard is a flicker between "yes" and "no".
That resonates, so I'm in on an explanation as good as any
other.
Thanks for the love bite. And, it's already working!
Historically a snap-back like this would be perceived as
disapproval, regardless of its source intention...and I'd
interpret it as this crushing pressure in my chest. RN, I feel
nothing. But affection, felt as just open-heartedness. And
this is unknown territory for me, even as I speak. This is
brand new. And so I know I'm in the right place. And will
absolutely follow through.
Time to strip!
So, scenario one. Total approval, across the board. Everyone I
meet meets me with total and complete approval, no matter what I
do it's just accepted. And, not just people: Things!
Experiences, interaction with everything conceivable and
inconceivable....every exchange met with acceptance and
acknowledgement of a job well-done. "Good job! You're doing
great! You're the best...ever!" There's no friction....just
empty approval without tension. Where's the fun in that?! Heat
death of the universe...no more streaming entropy.
In a word, boring AF.
And, now....scenario two: Total disapproval. Everyone I meet
meets me with total and complete rejection. "You suck! I don't
like you and I don't like your momma either! **** you and the
horse you rode in on" I'm obstructed at every turn...every
application, denied. Every open opportunity, a door slammed in
the face. !BAM! !BAM! !BAM! !BAM! Even animals shun me, after
lashing out in annoyance/irritation. Worse than scabies...the
most abhorrent, repulsive, itchy, nausea-inducing irritant in
the history of the universe. Everything runs from me....and I
do mean EVERYthing. It's runaway expansion of the very
substance of reality, repelled multilaterally. Accelerating
space in all directions. A different kind of emptiness...but,
wait....no. The same kind of emptiness, emptiness being what
emptiness is.
In a word, boring AF.
So, looking at these two opposing options....where does that
leave me RN? Right where I want to be, experiencing the
just-right tension flickering between approval and disapproval.
The delicious friction of vibration of being alive and in play,
bouncing between winning and losing. I don't want to strip
naked (nobody wants that, trust me) because where's there left
to go? Strip tease is best. It's the carrot compelling
forward...or Further...in this strange state of affairs.
So, if I'm right where I want to be in this dream of life...what
the hell am I doing here? I don't know! I'm being absolutely
sincere here. I have no **** clue. I was called back by your
e-mail. So....something's up.
Let's see where it goes
:)
ADD: LOL! And, of course...just now. Giving affection to one
of our five cats, Calvin, laying on our bed. A big, fluffy
Norwegian Forest kitty. He's the alpha and has to stay on
brand, don'tchya know. He's a sweetie and loves affection and
gives back, enjoying the stroking and head-and-chin
scratch..purring softly. But only up to a point. Point of
which a switch flips and he gets irritated...huffing to hiss and
running away. I SWTG, this just happened.
Agreement from Infinity itself, if you ask me. Booyah! :P :D
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Re: Bang-a-Rang!
By: Zara Songull Date: July 8, 2023, 1:20 am
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Just because I hit the APPROVE button on your post, please don't
interpret that to mean that I approve of your response. I'm glad
you can feel the affection in my disapproval, because I'm about
to offer you some more of it!
I found your response to be tremendously entertaining. I
literally laughed out loud (LLOL). But that's too much
entertainment, in my opinion, and not enough slowing down and
finding the heart of the matter. I appreciate you sharing about
the crushing pressure you once experienced in the presence of
disapproval. That sounds rough, and I'm sure it's nice to have
relief from it. I can't help but wonder if that kind of fierce
energy comes from something trying to break out, or break
through. You've clearly been around the block in terms of your
work on yourself, so I suspect you've done your share of
cathartic emotional release. That's a step some people try to
skip. But I don't know if what wants to emerge is fundamentally
emotional.
So you've dreamt into this a bit, and you've discovered that
infinite approval would actually be boring, and that infinite
disapproval would be as well. That seems to make the two similar
in some fundamental way. Can you take that further? If, on a
macro scale, they're the same, why, on the micro scale, does
approval feel different than disapproval? If they are the same,
and I think they are, why does one feel good and the other feel
bad? Is Calvin purring better than Calvin hissing? Is
encouragement from me better than discouragement? If so, why?
Or, as a different way of probing this, could you somehow apply
what you discovered in the macro to the micro? Could individual
instances of both approval and disapproval become equally
boring?
When you conclude that the "just-right tension" between approval
and disapproval is right where you want to be, that looks to me
like what I'm calling "spiritual bypassing". Yes, of course
everything is exactly perfect as it is and couldn't be any other
way. But that's irrelevant to an investigation at the level of
identity and conditioning and your situatedness within a social
matrix. At that lower level, things are not already perfect.
Going up one level, so you can tell everything is just right, is
certainly better than feeling crushing pressure in your chest.
But that chest pain may hold the key to whatever makes your
identity's preoccupation with approval persist.
If you want to keep playing along, drop back down into the
dream. That's where the drama is playing out. Let's assume
approval and disapproval are boring, or at least that they're
the same thing. What in your chest keeps them from feeling that
way? What does that pain want before it will be done with you?
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Re: Bang-a-Rang!
By: Terminus_Est Date: July 8, 2023, 5:15 am
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Ha! Oh.....you're good. I AM in the right place! Jed's legacy
is in good hands, without question.
Speaking of questions...you've asked a bunch of them and I'm not
sure if I should take them one by one or kind of bring it all
together to grasp the essence of the "heart of the matter", as
you say.
IDK, I'm just gonna start typing.
So, first off, me coming back here saw something of another
breakthrough (there've been boatloads now, and I'm better for
it, I feel...I'll explain why a bit later) and I'm not sure how
it happened. As mentioned, no pressure upon what would have
previously been felt as chest pressure with your interpreted
disapproval, now seen and still felt as affection. And the
"fierce energy" (good description, BTW) was DEFINITELY something
trying to break out/through to no pressure. Years and years
ago, the only option was to escape from perceived pressure in
any way I could...trying to find a safe place. It took decades
to figure out that escaping from that crushing pressure only
made it worse...that there is no safe place and running made the
hell hounds run faster and get more rabid. That's when thoughts
of suicide started emerging. At some point, during my work with
Jed...something snapped and realization started filtering in
about a different approach. To stop the desperate running and
turn and face the music. I started flying into the Mouth of
Madness...deliberately. For me, these took place in the context
of hellish experiences considered non-ordinary...but that's
beside the point....it doesn't matter how it plays out, it'll be
different for everyone....ordinary and non-ordinary is the same
on the macro scale, as you mentioned. Infinity knows I like it
when things get weird, so I got weird manifestations of
auto-digestion, wave after wave of crushing pressure with
phantasmagoric experiences that I won't go into, one right after
another, on and on and on. I thought I was gonna die or go
insane...even though some deep part of me knew I wouldn't and
everything was going according to plan. I've mentioned it
before in writing elsewhere....it felt like I was being accosted
by "Infinity's gaslight"...pressure on all sides, and I do mean
ALL sides imaginable. No escape! But, what I saw happening was
that after each wave...the release was exquisite. Pure magic.
And so, I just continued. And that continuation has brought me
to right here and now. There must be more.
Here's the thing though. I'm pretty sure I don't want full on
"Truth Realization". I think what I really want is access to
all the dials and sliders available to flirt with complete
breakout/through without accidentally stepping all the way
through to Truth, which I confess (at the risk of being out cast
from what assuredly will be a perfectly marvelous extension of
what Jed started) sounds boring AF.
You mentioned the notion of "too much entertainment". There's
such thing, IMHO, as "too little entertainment". Everything's
the same, nothing but an emptiness in truth as far as the eye
can see. Here's a question for you. Why do we dream at all?
(And don't go into the whole "why ask why" diatribe because
you've already asked me a bunch of them ;) Jed's pet peeve being
the whole "why?" gripe). How did dreaming this crazy weird,
looping, self-referential dream state even start in the first
place? How did untruth spawn from truth, fiction from
non-fiction? I really liked Jed's answer: Because Infinity was
bored! Nothing's happening! Everything's the same. Remember,
he said he loved Maya...even though she was his foil (I like to
imagine he's still in play, on some fantastic scale..playing
with dials and sliders beyond the physical....of course he is!).
He even enjoyed seeing her/talking with her periodically (I
like to imagine those were actual experienced phenomena...not
just a literary device). What was up with that, from a purist
truth-thumping perspective? He even told me, at one point that,
when he broke through all the way...he was given a choice! To
stay in the godhood of pure Truth....or to return to the dream
with just a shred of ego in play in order to play in the dream.
IDK about you, but Jed seemed to LIKE being entertained, on a
certain level. He chose to return to the dream with just a
sliver to cohere around. Why do that, if Truth is all it's cr a
cked up to be? I imagine I know exactly why. Infinity WANTS to
dream. It's trying to learn how to dream just right, somehow.
To me, it's about options. I know what I like and don't like,
even though that changes from one instance to the next...which I
also like! I felt little in terms of reaction when Calvin
hissed. Mostly, the before and after kinda felt the same. But
still, I prefer him purring...and the preference was about not
wanting to create tension in him resulting in his hissing
because I know (or imagine I know) he feels
destabilized/conflicted when he hisses at me...there's fear. I
used to get mad at him when he would bully the other cats and
reacted strongly and I could see him being terrified about
losing his home...being cast out. I know he wants my approval,
as a cat....sees me as his alpha. So I want to give him love
and make him feel approved of without over-stimulating him with
affection (Oh! There's the "too much entertainment"
thing...."too much affection") causing him to lash out and then
be afraid, which it looks like he is whenever he does.
Anyways, I know I need more "breakthrough" in the hope it'll
give me more options....flexibility....creativity....to
experience the marvels of this dream without feeling trapped
within the content. I guess part of me is concerned that if I
break all the way through, I'll be trapped in No-Man's Land.
Bored AF!
I'm a persnickety MF! I want just the right amount
entertainment, which always changes all the time, both in scale
and content...to be surprised, but not all the time....to be in
awe, but not too much awe that I'm just overwhelmed. Mystery,
but not too much mystery. I want options in all directions
without too many options leading to feeling lost. Just call me
Goldilocks! I want it all, which sound ridiculous I'm sure. I
know that I'm a dream machine and just want to figure out what
this thing can do. Seems like there's loads of
hardware/software I haven't accessed yet.
Problem with "wanting it all" is that it leads to this constant
thinking about all this stuff almost continually instead of
enjoying what's been released to...letting it range for awhile.
I'm not a fundamentally patient person. I like the feeling of
movement, inspiration, staccato breakthrough, rocketing forward.
I'm a thrill-seeking, bliss ninny fer shure.
I don't care about "spirituality" thing really, so the
"spiritual bypassing" comment didn't land. I'm progressively
becoming blissfully free from caring much at all what others
think of me. I do care about alignment which helps relieve
tension for others, though....giving them a break from feeling
judged, if possible. I've seen that in action. Taking "relief
space" out and about and spreading it around town. I don't want
credit for it...I just like seeing/feeling how tension relief
seems contagious in some strange way.
Same goes for "social identification"...honestly, it doesn't
feel like there's much left of that...though maybe I'm here to
find what's missing or being overlooked. Sitting here, it feels
like precious little. No pressure!
Anyways, this is a big dump. You may have to reimplement the
whole "200 words" thingy, because my capacity for yapping seems
near irrepressible. Your call. Beyond that, I am asking you to
help me find what's hiding. What is it? Asking the questions
helps. Actually, no response/disapproval button helps too!
Whatever happens, helps. There must be something, else...as
mentioned...else I wouldn't be here.
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Re: Bang-a-Rang!
By: Zara Songull Date: July 9, 2023, 12:45 am
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While I would encourage you to implement your own word limit, I
won't impose one. If you want to get rid of the extraneous, you
need to slow down and think through what you're saying. If you
think better by writing, write first, then read it, edit it
down, get rid of most of it, revise it. Only then post it. If
you're after something, get after it. At the moment, you want my
assistance, but you're requiring that I do the work of sorting
through everything that comes out of your keyboard.
That's the problem with being too entertaining. It's fun, but
you'll never corner your quarry that way. Yes - from a certain
perspective, the whole point of anything is entertainment. What
I'm referring to, however, is the song-and-dance distracting
from your effort to uncover what's hiding. If you want me as
your hunting partner, please try to keep your eyes on the prey!
When I refer to "spiritual bypassing", I mean the phenomenon
where someone says, "Wow, I'm really plagued by the wish for
approval. It just won't seem to go away." Then, in the next beat
they protest, "Did I say I cared about approval? Oh, that's just
the delicious human drama playing out. Not relevant to my true
nature at all. There's no self here to care about approval
anyway." It's a form of self-deception that comes from jumping
levels instead of addressing the concern at the level where it's
playing out. There's a holdover from human childhood that needs
help growing up. No amount of transcendence will produce human
adulthood. Different processes play out on different levels.
Here's where I think you might want to look for your quarry.
Approval by itself is boring. Disapproval by itself is boring.
Whatever you imagine 'truth realization' to be, in your fantasy
about it, is boring. Your entire cosmology is about the infinite
being bored and finding itself boring. If you keep playing your
character, and your character continues to be batted around by
approval and disapproval, that will keep things interesting,
keep the drama going. Anything, please, but boredom!
Do you see it? Just the fact that you could imagine truth
realization would be boring is quite telling.
Once upon a time, you were running to escape the pressure any
way you could. You finally faced it down, which could not have
been easy. The process was, at times, overwhelming and
challenging and hellishly painful, but . . . it certainly wasn't
boring! Now you face a tougher adversary - boredom. How long
will you try to escape this one before you turn and face it?
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Re: Bang-a-Rang!
By: Terminus_Est Date: July 9, 2023, 7:00 am
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This really is incredible. Still no pressure! I'm telling you,
it's gone! Oh, wait....no....there's a little bit, felt just
now. A hint of chest pressure. I know what it is. It's that
feeling of facing what's perceived as a pressured perspective,
and the demand to capitulate to make it stop...or to simply run.
Which I won't. Still....huge for me! Net pressure reduction.
What that means is I can sift through your words to pick what's
relevant....because some of it is. And that's the quarry.
In a nutshell, you're definitely onto something re facing
boredom. There's a very strong compulsion to keep things
entertaining all the time. It's not exhausting...I almost never
feel tired anymore, except when it's time to lay down to sleep.
The rest of the time, it's just this irrepressible stream of
energy come from nowhere. But what's happening is, the craving
for entertainment and, more importantly, the need to entertain
others is, also, irrepressible. You can't imagine how thrilled
I was to have made you laugh. I live for laughter and live for
making others laugh. I feel like it's my job...and I love my
job! But, there's something off-putting about my perpetual
entertainment-making. It's alienating, ironically.
*looks above* 200 words! On the button
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Re: Bang-a-Rang!
By: Zara Songull Date: July 10, 2023, 12:12 am
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Wow - no pressure! I thought I was much more 'disapproving' in
my last reply. Needed to turn up the volume a bit. Glad to know
our collaboration is having some kind of effect, or at least I
like to imagine that's what's happening.
Keep me posted on what you discover as you aim into the boredom.
I have a feeling 'boredom' may not be what you think it is!
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Re: Bang-a-Rang!
By: Terminus_Est Date: July 10, 2023, 4:37 am
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I said "a hint of pressure". Be gentle!
JK, let 'er rip. Infinity's put me through more than a few
choice fun houses...it'll be interesting to see what's left of
reflective state still roaming around in the crawl space.
Remember Risky Business? Both index fingers extended
horizontally, opposing one another beneath the vertical sliders
of the equalizer and lift until pegged.
Crank it up.
Anyways, as mentioned....it's on like Donkey Kong. I'm in the
hands of a skillful psychic surgeon, apparently. Yesterday, the
irrepressible impetus to entertainment vanished as if by magic.
I mean, gone. Dull as a plugged nickel. What was left was
impetus to stillness, misattributed as "boredom". And, as I
sunk in, the exact words....more than once....filtered through,
I kid you not:
"Boredom is not what I thought it was."
Weird thing is, what's described as "work" doesn't quite track.
What I've seen happen is that, letting go...which is essentially
effortless...allows Infinity to put me through It's paces. All
I do is get in the kayak and let the river provide the wild
ride, pressuring the way it does...maybe dip the dual paddle in
here and there, side-to-side, to redirect to slip stream. It
does the rest.
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