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Re: Do you have a body? Seriously... let's explore that....
By: Jenci Date: June 30, 2020, 2:02 am
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If I know the mind and the body are not real, why is my
experience of them both real?
Why suggests there is a problem that I need to fix. Something
has gone wrong somewhere.
Of course, I already know the answer. The mind is using why to
hide itself. The mind and body is not real and Maya is
threatened by that. No mind and body, no Maya. Maya has to
create a problem to maintain her existence. Maya only exists in
problems.
If I know the mind and the body are not real, how is it that I
still experience both of them as real?
The mind (not real) is believing that the mind is real.
The thorn needs to remove the thorn but then both have to be
thrown away.
How do I throw them both away?
If an imaginery dog came into the house, how would I get rid of
it? Simple, i just stop imagining it. If I picked up the
imaginery dog and put it outside, then I am playing along with
the dream of the dog.
Any way the mind tries to stop believing that the mind is real,
just re-enforces the imagination that there is a mind.
Something else has to be involved here which is not mind.....Or
maybe not. ???
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Re: Do you have a body? Seriously... let's explore that....
By: Jenci Date: June 30, 2020, 2:13 am
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Maya can only exist if there is a problem .
What if there is no problem?
What if the imaginary dog yapping at me, is not a problem?
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Re: Do you have a body? Seriously... let's explore that....
By: Death_by_SallyD Date: June 30, 2020, 4:58 am
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Yeah, that which precedes birth, succeeds death and through
which this life appears and disappears, shifts and changes,
grows and recedes.
Awareness. Always and forever.
In meditation there was this progression once, after the body
disappeared, into an dizzying array of ever shifting
abstractions....organized/intelligent/frenetic but progressively
less and less recognizable. I never lost consciousness...I was
awake...but eventually was cast into a state in which there were
no reference points whatsoever. Awareness was there, I
know....but upon reemerging back into body, form, recognition of
the elements of this dream....looking back, I couldn't remember
what I experienced. It was as if I blacked out. Awareness was
there.....but no reference points to recall.
Deep sleep is no different, is my feeling. Course, I can't
prove it
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Re: Do you have a body? Seriously... let's explore that....
By: guest1907 Date: June 30, 2020, 2:26 pm
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Does the body experience pain due to the ego? The ego is
dominated by Maya. Is the body afraid of pain and fully serves
the ego / maya?
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Re: Do you have a body? Seriously... let's explore that....
By: Jed McKenna Date: June 30, 2020, 10:45 pm
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Hi Bek, thank you for your excellent questions. The ego wants
desperately to survive and in order to do that, one or it's
games is to habitually combine pain and survival. OMG, I have a
lump on my butt... it must be cancer. Perhaps a minor cut is
going to go gangrenous and leave you minus a limb. A toothache
is definitely an impaction that will send toxins to your brain
and give you galloping senility in your 30's. Yes, ego and Maya
definitely contribute to bodily pain. Pain serves survival, but
is always being hijacked for secondary applications. Once you
discover there is no you, much of the 'sting' will have been
taken out of pain because much of the sting is ego Mayaic add
on.
Take care, and stay healthy.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Do you have a body? Seriously... let's explore that....
By: Jenci Date: July 1, 2020, 4:23 am
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Extensions of the body create a bigger sense of Mine and
therefore a bigger sense of Me.
My house, my car, my clothes, all the things I own, my
possessions.
My family, my friends, my neighbours. What they think about Me -
My reputation. What concerns they have about Me.
All stuff external to the body which creates a bigger sense of
Mine.
Internal stuff - My knowledge, my opinions, my beliefs, my
ideas, my thoughts, my feelings. My aches and pains, My stories
about me. The more the mind collects of these, the bigger the
sense of Mine is, therefore the bigger sense of Me.
I once heard someone say that you can tell someone’s age and
importance by the size of their bunch of keys. The more you own,
the bigger the bunch. I have a large bunch of keys ;D
I say it’s all mine. If it belongs to me, it cannot be Me. Thats
two - Me and Mine. Both can’t be Me. That’s obvious. How can
something so blindingly obvious be hidden for so long? How did
the error originate, that I started assuming that everything
that was mine, was actually Me?
It’s all subject to changes. Things come and go. Nothing that
changes can be real. I think that I change - either grow or
diminish - depending on the gaining or losing of anything I call
mine. But is that true ? Is that another error that has been
made?
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Re: Do you have a body? Seriously... let's explore that....
By: Jenci Date: July 1, 2020, 4:31 am
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I'm 52. My appearance has changed over the years. I look older,
I have shrunk. I've got grey hair. How I think has changed. I
don't really relate to younger people. Outwardly I appear to be
a middle age woman. But inside, despite all the physical
changes, I still feel like Me.
The same Me is here today as it was 30 years ago. From speaking
to other people, I know this is common. When you are 20, you
think 50 is old. When you get to 50, you feel the same as you
were at 20 and wonder why you looked at people that way. I would
expect the same applies when you reach 80.
Something stays constant. If the body - senses and mind -
detects changes in the ageing process but the I still feels the
same, then where is the I getting feedback from to get to that
conclusion? It can't be the body.
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Re: Do you have a body? Seriously... let's explore that....
By: Jenci Date: July 1, 2020, 4:38 am
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My foot. Is that Me? Do I exist there?
No.
My knee. Is that Me? Do I exist there?
No. That's just silly.
What about this belly that I hate? Is that Me? Do I exist there?
Surprisingly no.
What about my head. Is that Me? Do I exist there?
The force is strong with this one! Intellectually, if the other
body parts are not me, then I know the head cannot be me but
experientially there is a sense that I exist in the head.
There's a contradiction here. How do investigate that?
Ask again. This head, is this Me? Do I exist here?
???
???
No, I am more than that.
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Re: Do you have a body? Seriously... let's explore that....
By: Jed McKenna Date: July 1, 2020, 10:38 am
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Yes, the only conclusion can be... I am more than that.
love ya, Jed
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Re: Do you have a body? Seriously... let's explore that....
By: Jed McKenna Date: July 2, 2020, 12:50 am
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Slicing it even closer to the bone, there are two 'I am's' and
that contributes to even more confusion, especially with Nis, as
he doesn't differentiate. He take Truth and the ultimate 'I am'
and then the personal sense of the self as what might be called
the 'lessor I am'.
Give it some thought and share you ideas on that one. Otherwise,
stick with your current search... excellent work.
Love ya, Jed
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