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Manifestation
By: John Fox Date: June 5, 2020, 1:57 pm
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I've listened to many teachers and gurus including Adya talk
comment about being able manifest pretty much anything they want
in life and also about the spiritual powers which I'm assuming
are linked. What are they talking about and what does this have
to do with enlightenment? Is it all a bag of rocks?
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Re: Manifestation
By: Jed McKenna Date: June 5, 2020, 10:13 pm
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Hi John:
Thank you for your post, and it's a good question.
There are a number of things to consider, and there are 'bags of
rocks' out there, in my opinion, many... but let me expand.
One of the experiences that arises with 'enlightenment' is a
very clear sense of 'Whoa, I created all this'. Another is the
sense that it is all 'me' which is a bit of a conundrum because
you also get that there is no such thing as 'me'. Many apparent
contradictions and paradoxes arise and at the same time are
fully acceptable and embraced. In reality, most of the
experiences that the mind says, 'Hey, that can't be', becomes
the 'new normal' for one. Trying to understand T/R is a fools
errand, but experiencing it is another story. Everything makes
sense but in totally unimaginable way.
If you are interested in manifesting, then there are definitely
things that you can do. One rather simple way is to just realize
you have created it all... be grateful... as grateful as you can
be. If you feel you have created 's h i t' in your world, accept
full responsibility for it. You are not guilty or at fault, not
ever or in any way, but you are responsible for the creation of
this whole universe. There are other ways, but that is certainly
a good start and a good avenue to human adulthood (H/A).
Best wishes and stay healthy.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Manifestation
By: John Fox Date: June 6, 2020, 5:46 am
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I'm already manifesting then.
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Re: Manifestation
By: Jed McKenna Date: June 6, 2020, 10:30 pm
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Of course you are, how do you think all of this got here. It
arose on you. Where does it go when you sleep? Please don't tell
me that it remains intact because you are have NO direct
evidence of that, only memories and stories. In fact, you have
no direct evidence of anything, just memories and stories. One
day you might experience that nothing ever happened, and that
will be hmm... mildly glorious and most interesting.
Love ya, and stay well.
Jed.
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Re: Manifestation
By: John Fox Date: June 7, 2020, 4:22 pm
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Well, I am awakened but still on a path of realization of who I
really am and what that means. Today for example, whilst walking
in the country side a broad wave of realization hit me that all
that humanity knows or believes is no more than a collection of
perpetuated ideas; names, countries, genders, identities,
beliefs, politics - everything. I'm starting to feel detached
from the hum drum of emotionality that I encounter each day;
drama at work, other peoples likes and dislikes, limiting
beliefs etc. all so irrelevant to the truth but with a strong
recognition that this was me not so long ago. To a degree I can
still hear similar 'noise' in my own mind and sometimes
experience the emergence of related emotions but no longer give
any of it the credence I used to.
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Re: Manifestation
By: Jed McKenna Date: June 8, 2020, 2:17 am
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Excellent work John. A little heads-up. People around you are
going to say things like ''Hey, you aren't the same old John I
once knew''. Take this as the highest compliment one could give
you. Truth is, the 'old' John we a little smelly (they usually
are). So, be ready for Maya's kick back, she can be subtle, but
can arise in any person or even in things.
Now, I (gently) command you to continue on your path, i.e,
further.
Much love and stay healthy.
Jed.
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Re: Manifestation
By: FreddyMac Date: June 13, 2020, 2:18 am
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If I'm breaking any rule here, just let me know, but I have
another question about the same topic. Not so much about how to
manifest, but rather when.
Before seeing through the grand paradox for the first time I was
pretty much caught up in achievements, breaking boundaries;
fulfilling desires. The following two years I felt very few
desire to achieve anything and I could recognize my illusion of
self at the base of any desire that would pop up. Then I entered
a phase where I became bored, and I could feel a drive to get
things into motion. But personal funds had more or less
dissipated and I didn't really run into anyone I was interested
to team up with. Meanwhile, most friends had moved 'on' into
more complex family and work situations and were hardly able to
keep my interest if we'd meet for coffee, as they approached
life from a different paradigm and most struggled to detach from
all their worries for the brief moment we'd meet.
Things got slightly better and are still picking up in small
steps, but it did get me to look into the concept of
manifestation recently. For the first time, because to me it has
always felt like it would reinforce the belief in being a
'doer', and it would be an ego-strategy to fulfill desires
rather than going for resolving them by breaking the
identification with thought - the separation that is at the base
of the desires and the related suffering.
I picked up the Seth-book I received as a present long before I
developed an interest in spirituality. It resonated for the
first time, but I haven't bridged the seeming contradiction I
keep running into. On the one hand, the advice is to really
immerse yourself in the emotions when you, for example, struggle
to accept your becoming of age, but on the other hand I find
chapters that use the same example to show how one can change
its physical manifestation (rejuvenate bodily conditions) by
frequently picturing yourself younger and focussing on 'proofs'
that there's the lifeforce in you to regenerate cells.
My question then is how to square that. Is it a matter of
sequence, first work yourself through the emotions before you
start with the manifesting? Or is there a more subtle nuance I'm
missing here? I feel no doubt that manifesting is simply an
ability one can develop, such as throwing balls through a hoop.
And, that some aspects of my current life circumstances are the
result of false beliefs blocking the manifestation of certain
(probably more pleasant and exciting) circumstances. But it
doesn't feel right, yet, to engage in manifesting as long as I
can't discriminate between what's an egoic desire and what's
'nature calling'. Because wouldn't the latter just happen by
itself, without any active, deliberate manifesting? I have a
feeling the answer is 'no', so I decided to ask the universe to
manifest another clue by writing you this rule-breaking
question.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
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Re: Manifestation
By: Jed McKenna Date: June 14, 2020, 1:24 am
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Thank you for your well written post.
It's a little convoluted and confusing (to me), and I sense you
are a little confused as well.
What if this is true: everything you do is to avoid the
nothingness that you are. :P :P :P
If you applied that to 'everything' including you efforting to
find 'nothing' then you are left with.. hmmm.. spinning your
wheels.
There are two main types of manifestations, one is tangible and
the other intangible. If someone walked into the restaurant I am
currently eating in, I am quite confident that if they sat down
and we had a brief conversation, I (using that word very
loosely, of course) could, within a few moments, manifest
virtually any state in that person (happy, miserable, pensive,
loving, blah, blah). But let's say they wanted something
tangible. Perhaps they complained about not having a particular
degree, a movie star wife/husband, a yacht, a pen from Pres.
Trump ... they are tangible and more challenging, not
impossible, but definitely more challenging.
I understand that what you are saying is something like, ''does
intentional manifesting get in they way of T/R by reinforcing
the sense of ego?"... am I close?
If so, let me submit to you this. Could it be possible, that
thinking such is even more of a continuation and reinforcement
of ego. Resisting manifesting is more of an ego-trip than
accepting and working with it. In my experience, resisting
anything at all is just ego saying something like, ''this
shouldn't be as it appears to be''.
Acceptance and gratitude sound like corny new-age words, but
when experienced deeply they are very powerful concepts. (all
concepts are made up but some are more useful than others).
Decades ago I traveled the world and learned a great deal from
one little fellow in Jogjakarta. I say little because he was of
normal size, but didn't have any legs. He pushed himself about
on a small wood square with four casters on it. Something like
what you would use to move furniture with. He had the most
wonderful warm and loving smile that I think I have ever seen.
He never asked for money or begged in any way, he just smile,
and the confusing part of it was he had a ton of gold teeth, so
he must have had some money.
You could not resist giving him money. I was just travelling on
pennies and dimes, but always gave to him. Total acceptance and
a flashing broad gold smile.... it would take a heart of stone
not to give to him. I can still see his face as clear as day.
Gratitude is a little like an invisible vacuum cleaner, in my
experience. Unattached to any particular outcome, it will bring
to you what is required. Wanting anything is strictly from ego
and that's all you are experiencing, more and more ego. And, I
further submit, that your efforts to subdue or question it are
just creating more of it. Let it be. And, consider this...
everything you do is to avoid the nothingness that you are. :o
:o :o
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Manifestation
By: FreddyMac Date: June 14, 2020, 2:55 pm
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That was exactly my question, and I get your point. Your words
trigger me into seeing how I've indeed manifested every element
of this experience and make the question simply disappear.
Whatever I'm inclined to create will be the right thing.
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean with gratitude. Do
you mean that in a sense of 'thankfulness'? I remember reading
about it long time ago in a positive psychology lecture. It
advised to cultivating a grateful attitude by writing down ten
things every evening you'd be grateful for, in order to develop
a habit of recognizing the moments when life seems to be
providing rather than challenging us. Is what you mean similar
to that?
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Re: Manifestation
By: Jed McKenna Date: June 14, 2020, 10:23 pm
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Hi there:
When a question disappears then I figure I have done my job,
perhaps indirectly, but it's all good. Yes, gratitude is just
another word for thankfulness and whatever method works for you
is fine. Perhaps develop your own contemplation on the subject
and let me know how it goes.
Love and best wishes.
Jed.
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