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The Bible
By: anthropisces Date: May 19, 2020, 8:34 pm
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You are really makin me mad with some of your quips about the
bible. I'll get to some details below
It seems to me that waking dreaming and sleeping dreaming have
some (tons of) commonality. You've been pointing out some
interesting stuff that makes it more obvious that one is
dreaming.
Based on the oddness you have pointed out one may decide to
behave as if they are dreaming instead of behaving as if they
are not dreaming. For example one might decide to just up and
quite their job and carve wood into the forms of songbirds. Of
course that would be a stupid thing to do if there are
consequences to one's actions (there aren't) but if one is
dreaming (and they are) then it makes as much sense as anything
else. It certainly makes more sense to let go instead of shaking
in your boots about the consequences of your actions.
The most difficult aspect of all of this is vascillation. For
example you know you are dreaming but you are still so
conditioned by the society that you stay in the dead-end job and
do all other manner of other stuff as if there were consequences
to your actions. Then later you might honor the understanding
that you dreaming and take that big chance and as a result the
dream will really open up for you.
Jesus remarked on this when he said "you cannot serve two
masters"
He was talking about this very phenomenon.
I receive all sorts of communications through the bible like
that. I think that if one is open then they will receive
communications from whatever is at hand. If one has the bible at
hand, and looks deeply at it (sort of like looking at one of
those pictures from the 90s that you had to stare at and then a
pattern of dolphins or whatever was revealed) then a lot of
really cools stuff will pop out. If all one has is a sweet
potato then I'm confident that the nodules and shape and color
and whatever else will come to have meaning.
The bible is a book in the dream and it has provided a lot of
unexpected understanding in my dream. But there's not reason to
take it very seriously if one doesn't want to. Jesus said that
too when the religious officials accused him of leading his
disciples through grain fields where they picked the grain,
violating religious law. Jesus said to them "do you think the
law is for man or is man for the law?" In that he was basically
telling them that you can use the pages of the bible to clean
your countertops if that is how it is of the most use to you.
But admittadly you have to search for the gems. It is like
finding veins of gold. If you go looking at every word
attributed to Jesus and think they all have to make sense taken
together then you are gonna be pretty confused. The people who
wrote those gospels (disciples of the disciples 40 - 90 years
after Jesus' death) stepped on the message like an unscrupulous
drug dealing mixing talcum powder with the cocaine. But the
messages are in there. Finding them is fun.
Anyway you aren't really makin me mad. In fact your stuff is
delightful.
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Re: The Bible
By: Jed McKenna Date: May 19, 2020, 9:56 pm
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Dear A:
I appreciate your thoughtful response.
Look at that phrase you quoted: You cannot serve two masters.
There is the assumption that there is a 'you'... and you
probably know my take on that. But digging deeper, there is the
assumption that must serve one/some master. There is no
provision for not serving any master at all. One options = no
choice, two options = dilemma, and three options = the beginning
of a choice.
I am all for constructive selfishness. If you don't take care of
yourself, you won't ever have anything to share, nothing to give
or lift up another dreamed character. Spending all you time in
unselfishness leave on with nothing to share. And, the best way
to be constructively selfish is to work on your 'self' until you
realize that there is no 'self'. Then you really have something
to share... really....
Much love and stay well.
Jed.
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Re: The Bible
By: anthropisces Date: May 27, 2020, 10:49 am
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Is it my use of personal pronouns that makes it seem that "I"
identify with self?
Having something uplifting to say to other dream characters,
that they'd be eager to hear does sound like fun. I wonder if
I'll ever be any good at communicating such as you suggest. I'm
pretty good at entertaining but maybe not upulifing.
What keeps me most busy is looking after the interests of two of
the most advanced beings on earth. So I play the role of
enhancing the lives of two of them and when choosing which
course to take, my understanding of what would be in their best
interest guides me. There are lots of mountain hikes and romps
in snow, swimming in rivers and the sea playing in the yard,
etc.. and nightly gourmet meals. What else would one do knowing
that more advanced beings reside in the house?
You are misunderstanding the bible quote (made all the more
difficult because I misquoted it a bit). The quote is actually
more like "one cannot serve two masters".
The word "masters" is a metaphor. Jesus was speaking about the
illusion of control, one cannot see through the illusion and
cling to it simultaneously without becoming nauseaus. When you
see the word bible does it default you to skepticism that dogma
is at play? To quote you, it seems a bit like "wrong-knowing".
But I'm also maybe not the best at communicating these ideas so
it might be easy to misinterpret.
Any mention to examine the idea of self is valuable. It is easy
to slip into identification with self and that does happen...
frequently. Yet "I" have also traveled a long road and have seen
what self is not and that can't be unseen.
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Re: The Bible
By: anthropisces Date: May 28, 2020, 2:37 pm
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For ego there is always a crisis at hand, a problem to be
solved, an action to be done. Never does it see what is, always
does it fantasize about a better way, its way. This is the
nature of the ego's crisis;things are not according to ego's
ever-shifting definition of perfection. Egoic doing is meant to
address the crisis. Ego says "yes, there is a crisis, but at
least something is being done about it." Ego is in
control...substantial. So this is the vicious circle where I
once resided at all times. Where humanity resides.
The revealing of what self is not ends the crisis and then the
bliss floods in.
And so when a crisis seems to be at hand it can be studied and
dug into. And after digging and digging I end up having to
decide if what seems to be me is actually me. Is the worry me?
Is the doing me? Is the idea of how things should be me? and it
goes on and on like that-but it all can happen in a moment these
days. The egoic crisis dissolves under such scrutiny because ego
itself is revealed as something like an idea rather than a
self...and then there is the flood of bliss.
Life opens up, there is no conundrum about what to do, there is
no wanting, there is not lack.
So there's some stuff about self and my path
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Re: The Bible
By: Jed McKenna Date: May 29, 2020, 12:55 am
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As always, thank you for your post.
Take care and stay well....
Love ya, Jed
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