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Steps from thinking to knowing....
By: Jed McKenna Date: May 2, 2020, 3:45 am
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Dear Reader:
For no good reason at all, here are what I have found to be the
steps one goes through. Just another way of holding and viewing
the journey to Self and T/R.
1.) Thinking: Looking around, marveling at existence, one might
think... there is something more, something deeper to all this.
2.) Faith: Following that, one will come to a kind of faith
that, indeed there is more than meets the eye here. You might
see this as a 'religious' step.
3.) Belief: Faith blossoms with a kind of self-conviction and a
belief develops. This step, plus No. 2, are often exemplified by
an internal drive to have others believe the same belief..
(misery loves company).
4.) Knowing: This arises after a considerable deepening of
belief and leads one towards the possibility of realization. One
knows but only knows it in this moment, if you can grasp that.
5.) Realizing: This is where knowing moves out of itself and
into realizing. Realizing is quite rare and yet surprisingly
simple. In my experience it was 'knowing' with the added
ingredient that one realizes they know it in the present and
that it was always this way.... they ALWAYS knew it, but only in
realization, did they 'get' that it was always how it is/was,
i.e., there has never been anything but 'this'.
This is just a story from me and a way that I experienced and
hold the information. You may see things completely different
and that is just fine. Your take on this is always welcome.
Love ya and stay well.
Jed
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Re: Steps from thinking to knowing....
By: kranor89 Date: May 2, 2020, 4:32 am
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I would argue carefully that i went through steps 1 to 3 quite
fast. When i started questioning everything about 20 years ago,
it was like an avalanche. Unstoppable.
Now it feels like i stuck at step 4 for at least 10 to 15 years.
There were always moments of just playing my role (education,
work, relationships, dreams of the future...) BUT, there was
always the feeling of...got infected with something. This little
voice and feeling that this isnt as it seems to be. Maybe a bit
of uncomfortable.
But...it was always about more knowledge. Maybe this teacher
will enlighten me. Im sure THAT book will bring me clarity and
therefore end this endless search.
Always this searching and searching. Sometimes i feel very tired
of searching, of trying to find...this. Its curious, because i
'know' pretty much and heard SO MANY things that this cant be
found, has never left and so on. AND STILL, this me here kept
searching. Its ridiculous.
Would you compare step 5, the realization, with
just...witnessing of what is? Just seeing, feeling,
tasting...being aware of 'this', of whatever is happening or
not.
Because...there is never something else than this. Not matter
what this is or isnt, it is what it is. There is no knowledge
about the past, maybe memories but thats just an idea. Theres no
knowledge about the future, its obvious. There is just this...i
wouldnt call it a moment. I wouldnt call it 'my
surroundings'...its whatever happens in front of the camera,
with no camera back there.
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Re: Steps from thinking to knowing....
By: Jed McKenna Date: May 2, 2020, 6:27 am
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Thank you for your thoughtful post K:
The levels could be applied to almost anything. They aren't
clear definitive moments when one transitions into the other,
with the exception of the last one. When it 'arrives' it is
almost always digital... an either on or off situation.
You are close, but if we overlay those step on our present
journey, with the goal of realizing that Truth is and is all
that is, then it become a full blown 'realization' when you get
that it is that way and that way only, it has always been that
way, and the biggie is you realize that in some unspeakable
manner, you always knew that such was the case... but now have
'realized' this to be so.
Maybe I have confused you, but I want to focus and keep it as
simple as possible, and it really is simple.
Take care and stay well.
Love ya, Jed
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Re: Steps from thinking to knowing....
By: Robert Capozzi Date: May 2, 2020, 6:55 am
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Kranor already wrote pretty much how I'd put it, even the years!
Maybe we realize what we always realized but seemed to forget.
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Re: Steps from thinking to knowing....
By: Krill Date: May 2, 2020, 8:01 am
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Yes, I'd like to throw my hat in this discussion as well.
It's been similar, but different, for me to what K describes.
And, watching and reading Arjuna's posts on the 'How About'
thread, I recognize this process, right down to 'knowing' the
'Universe/Source/Whatever' is Krill-ing, Arjuna-ing, Jed-ing,
Kranor-ing, Everything-ing and Nothing-ing.
BUT! And this is what resonates about the Buddha story. Even
though he was told by all his teachers/gurus that he had
attained all he could, what he sought out to obtain, he was not
satisfied.
I am not convinced that a full realization is here. It's
possible, it was and is now forgotten. IF that is a 'thing'.
But, it's not abiding that's for sure.
:-\
I am not satisfied. That sounds like a spoiled kid to me!? Ugh!
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Re: Steps from thinking to knowing....
By: Jed McKenna Date: May 2, 2020, 8:07 am
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Hi Krill:
Thanks for sharing. My experience was similar up to a point, the
coming in drips and drabs.... but when the 'realization'
arrives/arises, you never ever forget it. You might not pay it
much attention, but it's always there. It's like tinnitus... if
someone has it, preferably mild, you can ask them if they are
aware of it. They will stop for a moment, listen, and then go,
''oh yea, it's still there''. That's the best metaphor I can
come up with at this moment.
Take care and love ya,
Jed.
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Re: Steps from thinking to knowing....
By: Krill Date: May 2, 2020, 8:19 am
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Okay, thanks Jed. That's helpful.
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Re: Steps from thinking to knowing....
By: Jed McKenna Date: May 2, 2020, 11:48 am
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Cheers mate.....
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Re: Steps from thinking to knowing....
By: EternalDawning Date: May 2, 2020, 12:34 pm
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Yes! Well put.
I would say, maybe you would agree? Realizing is where it’s
demystified. Just a maturity point where the previous construct
is transcended. What is know is accepted in a fundamental way
(maybe to be transcended again or to become foundational). The
path is no path, acceptance of the truth as true, shifting one’s
perspective to that which perceives perceiving in contrast to
knowledge of self.
My brain is endlessly trying and failing to paint a picture of
it.
:D
Love your post!
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Re: Steps from thinking to knowing....
By: Jon Osterman Date: May 2, 2020, 12:56 pm
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Pretty spot on in my experience. As for 'believing', I went
through the stage where I wanted everyone to see what I saw (a
form of attempted indirect validation I suppose) to realizing it
was futile and I was most likely being perceived as nothing but
highly obnoxious. Finally it all settled into such a deep
conviction and realized truth that all urges and desire to share
it with other people fell away. I know most others don't see
what I see but in my day to day life I still operate from the
assumption that everyone knows what I know and sees what I see.
It isn't until someone indicates to me otherwise that I realize
the are living in a completely different paradigm from me...or
at least that they believe they are.
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