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If you are a gamer, like Go, neural networks, machine learning,
AI... this will entertain you.
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: April 22, 2020, 1:32 am
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I know little about those computer topics, but I found this
quite engrossing. It contains some deep messages about our
future. Battle between man and machine... who wins? Massive
implications. I found it strangely emotional.... and I don't
play any games.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y
Be well,
Love ya, Jed.
P.S. Only after you have viewed the above vid, have a look at
this one:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaCQUal7rM
No
cheating now.
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Re: If you are a gamer, like Go, neural networks, machine
learning, AI... this will entertain you.
DIR By: solight
Date: April 22, 2020, 12:53 pm
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I play Go, and I worked on artificial neural nets for a while. I
used to think machine can never touch the art of Go.
It was a monumental moment when Lee was beaten. This is huge.
Human can now pretty much give up on being the best in anything.
Maybe it's God's way of saying, grow up, swallow your pride,
stop identifying being a human.
Better do this quick, because quantum computer is coming, as
described by Q , yes, the very Q from the Q movement.
HTML https://youtu.be/n1SGk0pDcew
#Post#: 41056--------------------------------------------------
Re: If you are a gamer, like Go, neural networks, machine
learning, AI... this will entertain you.
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: April 22, 2020, 2:28 pm
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Hi Solight
Delightful to hear from someone closer to Go and AI than I
certainly am. So, did you enjoy the show? I much prefer the
strategy of Go to that Chess. I always felt that Chess was about
conquering and Go more of acquiring through almost a surround
and embrace... but I don't know much about either. I never
enjoyed games much but I thought that show was quite well done.
I even felt a little sadness for Lee. Hi took it like a true
oriental gentleman.
Take care and stay well.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: If you are a gamer, like Go, neural networks, machine
learning, AI... this will entertain you.
DIR By: solight
Date: April 22, 2020, 3:38 pm
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Dear Jed,
I did enjoy the show very much. To me the sadness is from the
shedding off of a fond belief, that human are special.
The comparison of Go and chess is interesting. One is more
linear, one is more rounded. One is more mechanical/straight
forward, one is more fuzzy. A very good representation of
Western and Eastern characteristics. But both lost to the brute
force of the machine with heuristic complexity that cannot even
fully grasped by its programmers.
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Re: If you are a gamer, like Go, neural networks, machine
learning, AI... this will entertain you.
DIR By: guest1170
Date: April 22, 2020, 5:53 pm
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I think I will stop playing chess and start playing Go. I have
no hopes in chess.
That being said, when and if I finish the video, I may give my
comments on them.
For now my questioning is: Is chess going to be forgotten, the
same way checkers was, and be totally replaced by Go? And even
further: If that happens, is Go also going to be replaced by
something even grander, more sofisticated or interesting? We may
see, or we may not.
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Re: If you are a gamer, like Go, neural networks, machine
learning, AI... this will entertain you.
DIR By: solight
Date: April 23, 2020, 8:54 am
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I think both chess and Go have lost the luster. What's the point
of a game when your defeat, by a machine in this case, is
guaranteed? But as tool of self-discovery, then yes, they still
have utility.
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Re: If you are a gamer, like Go, neural networks, machine
learning, AI... this will entertain you.
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: April 23, 2020, 11:56 am
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Thanks for sharing that S:
I have always had a little thing about gambling... never did it,
don't care for it and think that there are few more foolish
things one could do with their time and money. As I read your
post, I thought... 'Hey, this is just the same.... a machine
that always wins'. Granted, said 'machine' will win over a
period of time while it whittles away your earning. And therein
lies that trap. But in the end... you always lose. Am I making
sense?
Love ya, and stay well.
Jed.
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Re: If you are a gamer, like Go, neural networks, machine
learning, AI... this will entertain you.
DIR By: solight
Date: April 23, 2020, 5:48 pm
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Thanks Jed, that got me thinking...
In the big sense any human endeavor is a game against God, and
human defeat is guaranteed. That's one aspect why TR makes
sense, because TR is basically not playing the human game
anymore.
Come down into the realm of human, I'd argue that there are
different gambling games. For example, roulette is more like a
game against a perfect player, but black jack is against a set
of imperfect rules, and because of that imperfection there have
been cases that someone consistently beat the house.
Things like stock trading is further removed from gambling, it's
a game against the crowd. The chance of winning is improved once
seeing and eradicating one's own herd mentality.
I know I am still playing games. I am looking into that :)
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Re: If you are a gamer, like Go, neural networks, machine
learning, AI... this will entertain you.
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: April 24, 2020, 1:28 am
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Thanks for that S:
You got me thinking as well.
How could rules be imperfect... I don't understand that one.
Much love and stay well.
Jed.
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Re: If you are a gamer, like Go, neural networks, machine
learning, AI... this will entertain you.
DIR By: solight
Date: April 24, 2020, 1:44 pm
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"Imperfect" probably is not a good choice of word. What I mean
is that the rule of the game is partial, it favors one side. In
the case of black jack, its rule favors the house if the player
is an average gambler playing randomly, but the table is turned
if the player puts in the effort to study the odds and play
intelligently, as sung in the song, "you got to know when to
hold'em, know when to fold'em, know when to walk away and know
when to run."
This "imperfection" is of course also God's perfection. 8) :D
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