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       Re: the gateless gate
   DIR By: Traveller
       Date: March 11, 2020, 6:09 am
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       thank you :)
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       Re: the gateless gate
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: March 11, 2020, 10:59 am
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       No, thank YOU!
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       Re: the gateless gate
   DIR By: Traveller
       Date: March 11, 2020, 5:59 pm
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       I want to test you, he said suspiciously. Although he believed
       he was talking to a man, he was contemplative. He wanted to be
       clear, so he said Truth Exists. It may be further than further
       itself, and more absolute than absolute, conceptually
       incorrectly. However, none of these things mattered. He wanted
       to know.
       why something rather than nothing ?
       i will tell you if it "rings" true. otherwise its an arrow in
       the dark.
       1. because
       2. it was the best thing to do at the time ?
       I reckon i have no-one left i would trust enough to answer. So i
       would say to bear this in mind.
       WHAT is the truth.
       if you got that question, its a "why question asking a what
       answer"
       There could be any form of creation, infinite consciousness,
       infinite nothingness, anything to infinity, substance after
       substance after substance, worlds after worlds after worlds,
       beings after beings after beings, no beings after no beings,
       smaller gods in bigger gods as notions, infinite selves,
       infinite forms of deaths, infinite experiences, infinite
       non-being experiences
       there could be absolute forms of nothingness, consciousness,
       love.
       There was a need WE had, what was it?
       I am saying that it is true that no belief is true and that it
       is true because it is the how to the why question, but WHY
       thanks
       #Post#: 40229--------------------------------------------------
       Re: the gateless gate
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: March 12, 2020, 2:10 am
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       Not sure I understand all of your post, but a few simple answers
       arise, but keep in mind, this is my experience. It certainly may
       not be yours. I have no intention to lead you to my experiences,
       (there is no 'me', but it's how we talk), my intention is to
       point to something. What you experience and see is your own, not
       mine. I have some suspicions as to how it will be for you, but,
       as you point out, they are just transparent beliefs and of
       little consequence.
       My answer are pretty simple. As to a reason for all of this
       dream, my conclusion is that its entertainment. Nothing more or
       less.
       Why something rather than nothing? From my perspective I would
       turn that around, why nothing instead of something. All that you
       percieve as something is just dream material to me. When you
       drop your body, this we become very obvious to you. Certainly,
       dropping the personality and seeing through it is a big step in
       that direction (a little death).
       You have asked 'What is the truth', and I will respond. Most of
       the time I do my best to write as specifically as I can on this
       subject. How words are structured can be very important. Your
       question is a little off, in that you are not seeking 'the
       truth', you aren't seeking what is 'true' because that is always
       variable. You question would be better as, 'What is Truth'.
       Sounds like I am being picky, but it's important.
       Everything occurs, or appears to occur, has a context. I do
       appear to be in a restaurant in this moment and that restaurant
       appears to be in a small town, and so on. All of the contexts
       can change over time, but there is an infinite context within
       which ALL contexts/things/appearances arise. Truth is that
       context.
       I trust I have assisted you, but there is something you need to
       know. You cannnot think your way there. It cannot be grasped
       because it is what 'grasps' everything. You can only realize
       that it is, which I call T/R.
       Love ya, Jed.
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       Re: the gateless gate
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: March 12, 2020, 4:24 am
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       Excellent....
       Best wishes on your journey. Jed
       #Post#: 40232--------------------------------------------------
       Re: the gateless gate
   DIR By: Traveller
       Date: March 12, 2020, 4:59 am
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       Not sure I understand all of your post, but a few simple answers
       arise, but keep in mind, this is my experience. It certainly may
       not be yours. I have no intention to lead you to my experiences,
       (there is no 'me', but it's how we talk), my intention is to
       point to something. What you experience and see is your own, not
       mine. I have some suspicions as to how it will be for you, but,
       as you point out, they are just transparent beliefs and of
       little consequence.
       My answer are pretty simple. As to a reason for all of this
       dream, my conclusion is that its entertainment. Nothing more or
       less.
       and
       Why something rather than nothing? From my perspective I would
       turn that around, why nothing instead of something. All that you
       percieve as something is just dream material to me. When you
       drop your body, this we become very obvious to you
       Yes i resonate with your no belief is true and further than
       samadhi state, and that anything is not it. it is the negation
       of all things. THATS why the question is so. its the only
       context in which whats to grasp HAS importance to what is
       grasping it.
       I see entertainment
       I can imagine it would be the case. i know its a null answer
       anyway, when there's nothing there. Still thanks, i happened to
       resonate with your answer.  Which is what i was hoping for.
       I also just had the insight that i'm thinking of it from a
       selfish position, its actually the opposite. What would a
       totally selfless thing want? THATS EVEN HARDER TO ANSWER
       #Post#: 40233--------------------------------------------------
       Re: the gateless gate
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: March 12, 2020, 6:51 am
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       A totally selfless individual would lack the desire for
       anything. Desire springs from a personality. Even such things as
       a deep and profound desire for a pizza, which I am currently
       experiencing, is the result of a sliver of personality lying
       within me saying, 'Hey turkey, eat or you might die', and then
       there is another facet that says, 'Die? Well, now that would be
       interesinting'... then  I order the supreme with baconj (always
       thin crust). Ahhh... that ever present Angel of Death will have
       wait a while.
       
       Love ya, Jed.
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       Re: the gateless gate
   DIR By: Traveller
       Date: March 12, 2020, 8:24 am
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       Yes but that is an idealism, the truth of selflessness lies in
       the fact that jed wants to eat a pizza and wants to meet the
       black angel later.
       ORDER ORDER, GETCHA YA PIZZA 10 DAWLLERRS, EXYTRUAA CWISSSPEEE.
       Jed wants a pizza is not a flaw in jed, its an understanding.
       The reason why people resonate with you is because they hear for
       probably 15+ years  that they are eternal, they were never born
       etc etc, then you tell them that they will die. its the most
       basic, yet simple zen stick.
       ANYTHING SELFLESS, is to create anything it is not. which is
       everything. it is to create selfishness,
       total selfishness = total selflessness = anythingness= I
       it would actually be to create a virtual reality with everything
       that it is not lol
       Negate everything you are not then the I is that which you are
       not (I am not that)
       Negate nothing you are then the I is that which you are (I am
       that)
       Jed eating pizza, the nothing you are, which means it must be
       negated. Which means that jed must eat pizza LOL. As dobby said
       in harry potter Jed mckenna must not go back to hogwarts.
       the negation of a negation of a negation is a trasncendence.
       It is not , but it is .......no it is really not, but it is.....
       no it really is , because it is << god's godlyness as osho put
       it.
       Thoughts? of course the disclaimer is that these are more word
       games. I just want to know what your gut tells you if you
       grasped conceptually the koan i made up.
       #Post#: 40235--------------------------------------------------
       Re: the gateless gate
   DIR By: Traveller
       Date: March 12, 2020, 9:25 am
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       Do you see it?
       #Post#: 40236--------------------------------------------------
       Re: the gateless gate
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: March 12, 2020, 10:27 am
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       Took me two seconds....
       Guess I'm getting old.
       Love ya, Jed.
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