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Are you really nothing??? My response to student.... feedback an
d questions welcome....
By: Jed McKenna Date: November 13, 2019, 11:34 pm
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Thanks for sharing that. .. yes, ''we can't see it with
rationality''. That's a good one. I totally agree.
Carrying it a little further. There is no real difference
between something that is percieved as true and something that
is percieved as not true... for the simple, but I submit
profound, reason that everythng is dependent upon everything
else for it's appearance as being some thing. Everything is
created by it's differentiation from something else. We define
oursevles by pointing to what we are not, or if not available,
find something we like and point to it, thinking, I'm like that.
The result of this is further compounded in that all things are
in constant change while all things are attempting the
impossible, to become 'real', one might say, more 'positive'.
Every appearance continually seeks to be Turth by the only means
available, pretending to be something that is true based upon
something else that is true, which something has been based one
something else that is true... and it never ends. Indeed, at
best, everything could be called a 'high approximation of
another high approximation'. It doesn't even acend to the level
of 'flimsy', but I will concede that it approaches and perhaps
excedes the 'high wierdness' test.
All that people think is true is true only, via a comparison
with something else, which is also not ture. All appearances of
true is illusion because it's only an appearance based on
another appearance. Anything can only assert its positive
difference from anything else by attempting do draw a line of
demarcation, but all lines are made up and always moveable. We
attempt to include or exclude ourselves from others in order to
identify and differentiate ourselves. We are always seeking
sameness or difference, and both are totally illusory. We seek
to make us a something, when in our hearts we know we are
nothing.
You, as dream character, exist only because of support that can
be traced to this whole apparent universe, and vis-a-versa. But
something that is dependent upon illusion, regardless of how big
or small, and regardless of how popular or not a theory is, will
always be just more illusion.
Imagine this, I ask you to show me something that is actually
real, totally true and substantive in every way. You stoop down
and pick up a rock, end of argument! Nope, only the beginning.
You, and I, are percieving a rock... that is indeed true IN THIS
moment. Where will we, and our perceptions, be in say 10,000
years or in, 1,000,000 years. The rock depends upon us
percievers to assert it's rockness. O.K. But that is far from
certain, there is no continuity. If it's a rock, a true rock, it
has always been and will always be a rock. Is such so?
Eventually the percievers of the rock, you and I, will have
transmutated into a vast number of breakdown products and, give
eons, we will be star dust spread throughout this, and perhaps
other, illusory universes. A few more eons and that star dust
will be gathering up in some far galaxy and probably end up,
once again as a rock, and upon further break down, might find
some of its component parts into another being of some sort...
perhaps be absorbed by some kind of plant as a nutrient and
eaten by a Jabba The Hut like being. The rock, you and I, and
everything else, are in a state of continually becoming
something else in a built in endless motivation to become our
source, Truth. We can never become it because we are it. You
can't become what you already are, however, in ignorance, one
can spend lifeteime(s) trying.
We all seek to be Truth regardless of what we appear to be
doing, and that applies even to things which are inanimate. I
know it's going to sounds like a big stretch, but that rock is
also seeking to be what it is... Truth. Otherwise, why would it
keep changing, slowly, I grant you, but always changing. Why
would the rock not just remain a rock, forever. It thinks that
as a rock it is not Truth, and you, as a person, also think you
are not Truth. Nothing ever is Truth, ever, because Truth is all
there is... and nothing can become what it already is. That's an
impossibility.
The preceding, plus a number of other 'experiences' are my basis
for continually saying this is a dream, an illusion, and that
nothing is actually real or truly substantial.
I understand that some folks find this depressing, that this is
reason for serious unhappiness and confusion. That is what
everyone has been programmed to think by all the other people,
schooling, culture, governments and institututions who have
installed all the could install, their own programming, that of
continually trying to become what they think they are, when what
the think they are has nothing to do with what they really are,
everything and nothing. Now, further.... :P :P :P ;)
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Jed Rant: Are you really nothing??? My response to student..
.. feedback and questions welcome...
By: Parsley Date: November 14, 2019, 4:04 am
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No resistance from my side to remember these facts you wrote
about. The world is full of If....then...-truth. But is "If"
true?
"If" is changing all the time so it cannot be true which means
we are talking about belief, not truth.
Yes, realizing this can lead to depression. If I love a woman
very deeply and I enjoy strong feelings for her and she tells
me, I should wake up, she does not really exist, Bam!, that
hurts.
On the other side, if there is pain arising with deep anxiety
then things look different for the programmed dreamt character
and she/he may find it luring to accept the truth that it's all
just a dream, a virtual play.
Hm, for what reason do I write this? To tell you what I know?
What do I know? I think I know a lot but that's not really me
who's thinking that I know a lot and it's a lie, it's not
knowing, it's belief. Only Truth can be known. I am no-one
trying to be someone. Will I ever succeed? Does all my failing
tell me "Don't give up you're gonna make it some day?". Good
joke.
Oh, I appreciate it that I never really left home, only
seemingly to play the impossible "How-would-it-be-if"-Truth.
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Re: Jed Rant: Are you really nothing??? My response to student..
.. feedback and questions welcome...
By: EternalDawning Date: November 14, 2019, 11:39 am
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"We can never become it because we are it!" Duh! Damn
enlightening perspective! How much of the time do you maintain
that perspective? Is it always just peeking at you from around
the perceptual corner like a creeper? Seems that way to me.
Won't go away. Constant entropy of meaning. All that remains
is being or happening. Still there's consistent embellishing
dressed in habitual thinking to keep me company.
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Re: Jed Rant: Are you really nothing??? My response to student..
.. feedback and questions welcome...
By: Jed McKenna Date: November 14, 2019, 11:12 pm
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Ah yes, ''How-would-it-be-if'' game... perhaps, just the ''if''
game, or the ''is'' game, how about the ''I'' game.... ''me''
game... also ask yourself if you are entering a bigger or
smaller game.... I prefer the latter.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Jed Rant: Are you really nothing??? My response to student..
.. feedback and questions welcome...
By: Parsley Date: November 15, 2019, 4:00 am
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Yes, "If there was an I"-game, a seggregated person that has to
fight or work hard to get things done. Oh, not necessarily. Do
you fight or work hard? For what reason? To become big? Is that
really possible? It can only lead to failure.
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Re: Jed Rant: Are you really nothing??? My response to student..
.. feedback and questions welcome...
By: Jed McKenna Date: November 15, 2019, 11:47 pm
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To think there is such a thing as a success or a failure...
hmm.... really ??? ??? ???
Perhaps that is the first thing one should let you go of.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Jed Rant: Are you really nothing??? My response to student..
.. feedback and questions welcome...
By: Parsley Date: November 16, 2019, 3:54 pm
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Thank you for that reminder. Will not be asked twice to let this
go...
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Re: Jed Rant: Are you really nothing??? My response to student..
.. feedback and questions welcome...
By: Jed McKenna Date: November 17, 2019, 7:16 am
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;) ;) ;)
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