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The best name
By: Julio_Juliopolis Date: September 7, 2019, 7:37 pm
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Hi Jed and friends,
Blech, I don't know how I want to start this post. Can we just
pretend I wrote something clever which said "I'm here! I'm
interesting! I have some great perspectives and you should want
to exchange yours with mine! " while maintaining a definitive
air of self detachment? I'll trust that is acceptable so I can
move onto other things.
First, since I only get one thread, I want it to have the best
name... Check.
Next, thanks for the books. I've enjoyed listening to them a few
times over. They taught me some good stuff. I like your
technique of using dialogs to explain /demonstrate concepts.
Let's me see how things might look from different perspectives a
bit. That captain Ahab stuff is inspiring. The sea diddy that
plays in the background during those parts is perfect. I'd love
a book with just that and Julie's rants as she went through her
process. Perhaps the whale's perspective could be included as
well. Then again, if Ahab and Moby are used as a counterpoint
for Julie and her phantoms maybe the whale shouldn't have a
perspective at all... Except in Ahab's imagination! "harr matey.
In that whale's calls I heard a distinct insult about my mother.
Not to mention his gurgling sounds like peg-leg, peg-leg. He
trolls me Starbuck." OK, I'll stop now. ;D
I'm not sure exactly what I'll be doing here, but it seems like
a good place to spend some time for me. I might try your online
courses. I'll probably post some more stuff in here. It won't
all be fluff, some of it may help me and perhaps others who
struggle in the same ways that I might. I promise next post will
be more than just an elaborate howdy.
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Re: The best name
By: Jed McKenna Date: September 8, 2019, 3:08 am
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Hi Julio:
Nothing wrong with a little howdy doody to open the doors a
little. At least you realize what it is can call it out.
What comes to me at the moment is a question for you. Are you
on, or spend much time on, social media? Just curious.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: The best name
By: Julio_Juliopolis Date: September 10, 2019, 9:55 am
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No I'm not on social media. I do have a Facebook account but I
really don't use it. I have never had a Twitter account or
anything like that either. I have posted some on a couple
casteneda related boards under this name. I don't think I'm
allowed to post links here but if you Google you should be able
to find a couple forums I've posted regularly in if you'd like.
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Re: The best name
By: Jed McKenna Date: September 10, 2019, 11:05 am
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Excellent, just a little mental health check up. You are
fine... now down to more serious matters... what is you real
motivation for writing.
Love ya, Jed.
#Post#: 39249--------------------------------------------------
Re: The best name
By: Julio_Juliopolis Date: September 11, 2019, 10:08 am
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lol, Well I am insane, but I think I'm a lot less insane than
normal people.
As to my purpose here, mainly I'm just trying to progress on my
never-ending quest for POWER!, ( over my own life ;) ). This
quest requires me to talk with wise people and/or those with
secret magic powers. I found some, and pestered them for a time,
and a couple of them took pity on me and started teaching me
about enlightenment and referred me to your books. I persisted,
reading and learning in spite of myself, ( think "sure this
enlightenment stuff is okay, but when are we going to start
talking about plants Don Juan?" ). Somehow over time I became a
wiser fool than I was, (no copyright infringement intended), and
I feel I've made good progress towards my own enlightenment and
magic powers. However, those whom I've known have gone their
separate ways, busied themselves with life-stuff, and become
much less accessible to me of late. So, I thought I'd look here.
Also, the timing seems right. I believe I'm at a crossroads. I'm
going to quit my job in a month and maybe switch careers. This
will free up time for more meditative and related practices. I
wonder if the courses you offer here might be a good use of that
time as well. Also, my energy has become different. I'm becoming
more childish in good ways. Last weekend was the NFL season
opener and I enjoyed the great plays by the opposing team as
much as by my own. I focus on different qualities of
sleep-energy as it's affected me. There's the detached, sober
sleep energy that seems to come from behind the roof of the
mouth, and then there's the more intense stuff around and behind
the eyes that tries to make me close them and makes it hard to
put my attention on anything other than sleep. My emotions seem
to be a bit quicker and more intense than usual, but also much
quicker to end. Also, I've been having more cool realizations of
late. I don't have an example that wouldn't require quite a bit
of typing so I'll not provide one unless you request it, but
they pretty much always relate to how people think and perceive
the world. So things are changing for me quickly and I'm
thinking it might be prudent to have some more wise-seeming folk
to chat with should I become lost when sailing these turbulent
waters.
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Re: The best name
By: Jed McKenna Date: September 12, 2019, 4:15 am
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Hi there Jay Jay:
If you seek wise advice from me, I will tell you that you are
probably as wise as I but might not be listening to your
''self'' as much. Let me ask you a question, no.... wait, you
don't have to answer, I will just make a suggestion; stop taking
mind altering substances.
I'll await for you to ask me ''Why?''... or maybe say something
else, something more entertaining. In the meantime...
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: The best name
By: Julio_Juliopolis Date: September 12, 2019, 9:53 am
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Well, since you've practically made it obligatory, Why?
Also and this is probably a stupid question, how do I improve at
listening to my self?
Thanks Jed :-)
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Re: The best name
By: Jed McKenna Date: September 12, 2019, 10:00 am
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Never mind, if you don't know why, probably not my place to tell
you. Besides, I've shared my thoughts on the subject in various
rants over time.
Regarding your last question, either Q-Tips or stop taking
drugs, or both. Try them and find out what works for you. A long
time ago I found both quite helpful.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: The best name
By: Julio_Juliopolis Date: May 25, 2020, 11:18 am
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Hi Jed,
In another thread you recently agreed that after T/R there are
no thoughts. That was new and surprising to me and I'm going to
consider it a moment, because it sounded interesting and I've
been moving in that direction. I'll start with a few
observations.
Observations
1. Thoughts affect my interpretation and experience of the
world.
- If I feel an itch, I can think "Agh! It itches! It itches sooo
much!" and that will increase the degree of itching sensation I
feel. If instead I think "Meh" that will decrease it. The first
prolongs the duration. "Meh" usually ends it quickly. My working
hypothesis is that this is caused by bringing the experience
more into my attention, (or vice versa, as in bringing my
attention more into the experience. I think both interpretations
are equally valid. For a long time I only did the latter,
[color=brown]{not yet having conceived that there was another
option}, but I'm trying to turn that habit around so I model it
as an internal affair, at least for now)[/color], or pushing it
away. I've tested this phenomena with other things as well;
sensations of pain, taste, etc. and so far it has always shown
to have an affect.[sup]1[/sup] I've read accounts of others
doing similar things and I've seen lots of them reporting
similar results and no one really arguing that how they focused
their attention didn't have any effect.
2. Thoughts are not required to interpret and experience the
world.
- I'm using a definition of a thought as an idea comprised of
words. I still experience the world when I'm not thinking.
Actually, with the hope that readers will forgive me for
thinking off the cuff instead of doing it before putting pen to
paper so to speak, I'm inclined to think that my thoughts never
experience the world directly but only interpret it, which is
how they affect the experience. Likewise, images I generate in
my head, (which in theory might include the images of the world
I interpret as external, but I haven't experienced that yet...
not fully), do not seem to directly experience the world but can
have a similar impact to thoughts.
Possible conclusions
1. As I continue watching how words and images as pointers for
my awareness, (and possibly nothing else), I'll eventually
conclude that thought itself is pointless and a waste of time.
- This would likely mean that I'll find there are better tools I
an use to accomplish what I attempt with thought. This seems to
be what the idea "In truth realization there are no thoughts"
means. If this is the case then when I express myself with words
it could still sound like thoughts to others, (as Jed's words
sound to me), assuming of course there are others. Furthermore
this suggests that I ought to be choosy about what
others-generated thoughts I give my attention too. Not in a
self-censor-evidence-contrary-to-my-worldview way, but as a
means of bringing experiences I prefer and avoiding those I'd
rather avoid. If everything is all illusion, this is probably
even moreso the case.
I may come back and work more with this later. Jed if you have
anything to say about this I'd be interested in it. If not I
hope you post it anyway so others might see it and I can come
back to it, thanks.
Footnote
1 - At a couple points in my childhood I was subject to the
brutal authority of despotic English teachers. Ending that
sentence that way delights my inner child because I imagine
those teachers would reflexively condemn that sentence for
ending in "have an affect" instead of "have an effect". Since
the dictionaries at that time, (and likely still), defined
'effect' as something like "resulting from a cause" and 'affect'
as something like "impact", and since 'effect' is almost always
the word meant after "have an ..." when the other option is
'affect', and since 'effect' does make sense in that spot I
imagine those teachers would be quite confident in their wicked
condemnation of my sentence. However, ending the sentence with
effect would be a weaker point, and affect is what I intended.
So neener, neener, English teacher. As to the rest of you, I
acknowledge that my usage of run-on sentences and placing a
parenthetical aside within a parenthetical aside was shamefully
indulgent. I apologize for any pain this may have caused you. I
hope my usage of color and other markups has helped make things
a little easier to read.
#Post#: 41553--------------------------------------------------
Re: The best name
By: Jed McKenna Date: May 26, 2020, 4:04 am
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Hi J:
If I said or implied 'no thoughts' after T/R, I was not
accurate. Sometimes, (in my experience) thoughts do arise. They
have a different quality to them. They lack importance and I
find the don't repeat themselves the way they used to.
Don't try to stop thoughts as that will just create more
thoughts. Be very careful to avoid seeking symptoms of T/R... if
you want to experience non-duality, thoughlessness, bliss, love
for all... or any of that, you are seeking a symptom... not the
disease. Go for the disease, always go for the disease and in
the process, ignore all symptoms. They are just distractions....
nothing more. They do help sell new-age garbage books though.
Love ya, Jed.
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