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Student's experiences... a little different
By: Jed McKenna Date: July 23, 2019, 7:50 am
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You ask "what is heaven"... I think I know how to answer that
now, after having worked on module eleven. I see how I operate
on degrees of certainty, and I see how my own illusions have
been given a low degree of certainty (it's just something I made
up, right), and what I have been told by "authorities" have been
given a high degree of certainty.
I see that certainty is not wrong, of course. Just how this
experience works. I see that it's the same for those
"authorities" - they don't actually know, but they have varying
degrees of certainty.
A few years ago, I came across a man who could do healing work.
I come from a scientific background, so this completely shook my
world. But I saw with my own eyes what this man could do, I felt
it on my own body, and it just... it really shocked me. For a
time, I investigated it, using my scientific background, learned
by him how to "do it", I tested it, varied the parameters,
retested, made sure people didn't know each other, made sure I
didn't plant any ideas of what they were supposed to experience,
and noted what happened to them. And it definitely worked. Then
I realized that this healer guy was just a ridiculous selfish
schmuck like everyone else, and I completely lost faith in him,
and my healing skills instantly diminished.
Isn't that interesting... Now - using your modules - I see what
happened. It was all a matter of degrees of certainty. The
science background, seeing the healer "do his thing", slowly
letting my certainty grow, based on what I saw, seeing how this
affected my reality, until finally the degree of certainty
plummeted, and so did the results. That is bloody interesting...
To answer your question "what is heaven" - taking back the power
over those certainties, and playing with what appears based on
that... That is heaven to me. That is something worth doing,
always, every day. Playing with this. Playfully setting
convictions, and co-creating with whatever appears. What a
wondrous adventure.
Love,
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Re: Student's experiences... a little different
By: onmyway Date: July 23, 2019, 11:56 am
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i have almost the same story, only i did not came from science,
i came to it trying to fix my self.
no need to go over the same story twice as it sound very
similar, yes he was a smuck as well, but what really took me off
that path is not him but the fact i didn't see how i can "heal
my self" so whats the point trying to heal others? yes i saw how
its affects others but heal? wtf is that anyway?
i wish there was some kind of "happy end" or some kind of heaven
as you called it to my resolution, not yet any way and its been
15 years ago.
i saw and see the trap of certainty, mine was fulled with
belief, thou losing both left me some how hanging in
uncertainty, no heaven here.
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Re: Student's experiences... a little different
By: Jed McKenna Date: July 24, 2019, 1:16 am
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Thanks for sharing...
Love ya, Jed.
P.S. Do you know what to expect when you seek heaven?
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Re: Student's experiences... a little different
By: onmyway Date: July 25, 2019, 5:59 am
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that was a really good ps, and i found the answer in your own
words, which i couldn't pull out by my self.
"No more hunt, no more chase, no more battle."
guess is why i love to be around animals so much, the
contentment is purring out of them, and i cant stop wondering
where is "mine"?
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Re: Student's experiences... a little different
By: Jed McKenna Date: July 25, 2019, 6:55 am
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Striving for contentment is sufficient disturbance to inhibit
it. Imagine floating on a calm lake and whacking the calm
surface water while expecting it to remain calm. Your True
Nature is calm, peaceful and joyous. Stop whacking!
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Student's experiences... a little different
By: Death_by_SallyD Date: July 27, 2019, 6:41 am
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:D So perfect. Thank you, whoeveryouare.
Degrees of certainty....or belief, as has been
said....somewhere...can't remember where. All experience born
of it. All of it (reminding myself, here and now).
From scientific medical perspective, there's an acceptable level
of degree of certainty associated with something called placebo.
In short, its when testing a medicine a certain number of
people are given a pill which is nothing (Ha!) ....at least its
nothing from perspective of the scientists in terms of medicine
(something by comparison) to treating disease or symptoms. But
the patients getting the placebo believe it is
something.....within the acceptable framework of being allowed
to believed that it might be something, to be clear (Ha!). I'm
assuming that all participants know that they might be getting
something rather than nothing...or vice versa. "Medicine" vs
"placebo". Anyways...getting lost in the looping paradigm here
(doesn't take much...a couple turns and I'm lost, pretty much.
Maybe that's a "good" thing?). The one's getting nothing with
degree of certainty that they might be getting something....feel
something! Experience something! A lessening of symptoms
believed associated with certain diseases/conditions. The
degree of that something, which is accepted as "statistically
significant" and is, ofc, proportional to their degree of
certainty that they might be getting something. Placebo effect.
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Re: Student's experiences... a little different
By: Jed McKenna Date: July 27, 2019, 8:01 am
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Some kind of reverse placebo effect happens with me, I offer
nothing and students take it to be something, then they imagine
they are getting something but complain that in the end it was
nothing, my intention after all... who can figure this s h i t
out?
Love ya, Jed.
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Student's experiences... a little different
By: Kathryn Date: July 27, 2019, 3:54 pm
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I totally grok what you are saying. So much nothing abounds! I
can’t say I’m done with it, but is becoming more and more
evident to me. Hey, even while watching America’s Got Talent on
TV I saw cardboard cut out type people in the audience. Just a
flash, but very discernible. The TV screen is a pretty big liar,
just by itself, by definition. Anyway, I’m just about there,
done, at least with nothing, and with everything too, same
thing. So utterly, ultimately, beyond comprehending.
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Re: Student's experiences... a little different
By: Jed McKenna Date: July 27, 2019, 11:35 pm
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Yup... time to give up, I suppose....
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Student's experiences... a little different
By: Death_by_SallyD Date: July 28, 2019, 4:40 am
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[quote author=Jed McKenna link=topic=1782.msg38874#msg38874
date=1564232476]
Some kind of reverse placebo effect happens with me, I offer
nothing and students take it to be something, then they imagine
they are getting something but complain that in the end it was
nothing, my intention after all... who can figure this s h i t
out?
Love ya, Jed.
[/quote]
LOL...yeah, on the spectrum of thankless jobs, some are more or
less...but one is the MOST, I can only imagine (which is true)
:D
And, in terms of reverse placebo drinks....some half
full...others half empty....one ALL the way empty
Bottoms up! :D
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