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Jed Rant: Another method to quiet the mind
By: Jed McKenna Date: June 11, 2019, 1:04 am
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Dear folks:
As I mentioned before a number of times, just getting curious
about your next thought goes quite a ways to quiet the mind, and
here is an add-one that you can play with.
Back to the adage that ''resistance equals persistence'', try
this one. Watch your thoughts gently with the attitude that you
have no concerns about what they are. They are neither bad nor
good. Let them be with no resistance at all, just a gentle
welcoming of anything that comes up. You might find they slow
down quite a bit, but if they speed up do the same thing. No
judgment and no expectation, just the allowing of whatever
arises.
While on the topic, you probably now have realized that you
don't know what your next thought will be (look and see). So, if
you don't know what it will be then you didn't choose it... did
you? If you did choose it, they it would be known to you
already... but that doesn't seem to be the case in my
experience. See if this hold true for you.
Next, ponder this, WHO did the choosing? Is it a roll of the
dice, or another persons voice, perhaps some little demon in
your head at the controls... and where is this source of these
thoughts? Is somebody else or something else controlling your
thoughts? Do you do what your thoughts tell you to do? Are you
in movie that is being directed by someone else?
Please remember, I am not trying to tell you what your
experience(s) is/are. They are unique to you and I respect that.
I am only pointing and probing in an effort to bring you to some
deeper understanding... of what... of this marvelous dream and
that appear to be you.
Love ya, Jed
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Another method to quiet the mind
By: CzechSoulmate Date: June 11, 2019, 4:05 am
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Now this is the Jed I like ;p
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Re: Jed Rant: Another method to quiet the mind
By: Jed McKenna Date: June 11, 2019, 4:45 am
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Try it out and let me know the results.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Jed Rant: Another method to quiet the mind
By: richard Date: June 11, 2019, 9:45 am
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Hi Jed:
Thank you. I got this beautiful words from Email. It's a long
time not visit here yet. Thanks again.
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Re: Jed Rant: Another method to quiet the mind
By: guest1653 Date: June 11, 2019, 10:15 am
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This lines up very well with my experience.
Thoughts just happens. When you make them, or even the absence
or presens of thoughts, completely irrelevant - they tend to
slow down, and sometime go completely silent.
LY2
Mikael
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Re: Jed Rant: Another method to quiet the mind
By: Death_by_SallyD Date: June 11, 2019, 11:52 am
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It’s an interesting question…..what is the dialog!? I
mean…..WTF is it, seriously?
The same question popped into stream of the dialog (like some
kind of ironic joke..ha!) as I was doing the whole song and
dance with it during meditation the other day. You know….trying
to stop it….and failing….then just accepting it/observing
it…which, I guess works on some level, if only by virtue of
decompressing the frustration associated with the seeming
impotence in getting a grip on this thing. In this context, the
notion of really sinking into the heart of the source of
internal talk cropped up. In essence, it says, “Stay
relaxed…don’t judge….feel it and then go into it as deeply as
you can”. So…I did! And that’s when shit got weird LOL
Honing in, with awareness, on the question “What is the internal
dialog……what IS this!?” Good time to ask and look, in fact,
because the dialog had really being going bonkers on this
occasion….just yapping incessantly about all kinds of crap. As
I look for the source of this stream, I begin to feeling this
kind of lump of fluctuating/flickering disruption that seemed
stationed, kind of off-kilter, on the top/right side of my head
with the sensation of trailing tendrils drifting down the right
side of my face and neck. Looking into the darkness behind
closed eyes as my awareness of the feeling of this fluctuation
gained depth and clarity…I begin seeing what looks like a kind
of nest-like ball of a rustling, fluctuating fibers all knotted
together. Impression is that thoughts are generated from this
flickering mass, somehow. The notion that started this whole
process says, “Look closer….really get in there”. So I continue
to relax and, without judgment, intend to go deeper. At this
point, the visual hypnagogic signature becomes quite clear. My
visual perspective becomes small, like a bug…and I fly right in
there…into the space between the writhing fibers. The heart of
the beast! Once inside, this abysmally dark open space clears.
And I see this simultaneously eerie and funny image. It’s
Beaker! From the Muppet show! :D He's there, like a colossal
statue composed of bright, glowing fabric….fluffy pink/tan
muppet skin…..greenish blazer...white shirt and black tie….head
tall/thin like a stove pipe with aghast, downward turned mouth,
frozen slightly open…and big goggly eyes staring off into the
abyss like a deer in the headlights. Either he’s the size of
the Death Star…or I’m the size of a nearly microscopic bug.
Either way, he’s huge! I fly toward him…..veering upward,
moving toward his head. Toward the Mind of the Heart of the
Beast!! When I get there, I see that I’m going to fly right
into the fluff encapsulating the brain…..but when I get close, I
see these clear, perfectly cylindrical holes open up into and
through poor Beaker’s noggin. He didn’t seem to mind….frozen
still in time and space and apparently feeling nothing. I can
see the blackness of the void, behind Beaker’s head, through
these holes and feel compelled to fly through them. Once within
the giant tube like holes, I suddenly enter into this
unfathomable space composed of boiling, fractalizing, brightly
luminous abstract colors in an impossible liquid display of
outrageousness. It is so intense, dynamic, fluid and
formless….that I could not “mark” it with my awareness in a way
that I might “bring something back” in order to report what I
was seeing. It was utterly incomprehensible….and utterly awe
inspiring...and utterly engulfing. It was so beyond my
comprehension that, in essence, I blacked out….lost within that
stream for some indeterminate amount of time (maybe 40 minutes
in everyday time!). When I emerged out of it, my whole body was
buzzing for a few minutes before baseline “daily awareness”
resumed…interspersed, of course, with the ever-present narrative
companion….the internal dialog.
So…based on this experience….my final answer is that the dialog
is a muppet. Beaker, in fact…pretending to be a flickering,
dark, fibrous rats nest that sits akimbo on my head. :D Once
penetrated…Beaker gives way to The Truth….which is an
ever-emerging, unfathomable maestrom of pure, unadulterated,
luminous abstraction. So…take your pick! The drone of absurd,
muppet-like familiarity of dialog-driven life…..or the intense,
mind-melting madness of the maelstrom of The Abstract? I’m sure
there’s a more homeostatic balance between the two, but my
extremely limited, attention deficient, non-scientific research
hasn’t found it yet.
For what its worth…….DBSD out :D
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Re: Jed Rant: Another method to quiet the mind
By: Neverx2x2 Date: June 11, 2019, 1:15 pm
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Strange synchronicities. I've recently met with that "These
thoughts are not my own" thing. This time it revealed the
question of 'obedience'... a spell often cast to maintain
'relationship'... otherness, belonging, identity, possession,
home (it's comfortable, but otherwise a prison). I'd like to say
I've reached the point of being able to drink without getting
drunk; but, I suppose this just hit my email as a reminder that
I'm still processing... thanks :-)
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Re: Jed Rant: Another method to quiet the mind
By: jonnydas Date: June 11, 2019, 1:19 pm
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Thanks for checking in, Jed!!
A very pleasant surprise in my email bin.
This came at just the right time!!
Hope all is well in neverneverland.
JDas
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Re: Jed Rant: Another method to quiet the mind
By: Jed McKenna Date: June 12, 2019, 12:13 am
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Thank you all for sharing a little of you, or whatever that
''you'' thing is.
Love ya, Jed
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Re: Jed Rant: Another method to quiet the mind
By: Death_by_SallyD Date: June 12, 2019, 6:14 am
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Yeah, thanks Jed! So weird it popped in my e-mail, re timing
and such. I haven't been here for years (I was someone else
then....I can't remember who). I washed out and was rinsed away
from the filtering process inherent in this forum pretty
quickly. First tier! :D I thought I'd found stability in "the
base"......"rigpa".....that clear primordial infinite
spaciousness within which awareness just shines on every
perceived experience without judgment/clinging/aversion....but
distraction is my nemesis. Impulsiveness. Clinging to pleasure
compulsion. Addiction. (You mentioned something about getting
sober in a dream I just woke up from) Getting jerked this way
and that by the Muppet Mind which try as I might just
won't......go.....away.
I want to want enlightenment...whatever that is. Stability in
the base and then deeper from there? Further? I guess that's
it. Hell, I want to want to be a Human Adult. Which
is.....what? Sort of a perennial philosophical awareness of the
base state to the extent that one can enjoy life and all its
myriad experiences without fear and fear-driven compulsion?
That sounds nice! I've had a taste of that and it is wonderful.
But sustain.....is what I don't have....or haven't figured out.
In one moment....when clear, empty awareness has the upper hand
(usually during meditation)...it all seems so simple. In the
next moment it....yaddayadda...you know the rest.
Sustain in the base. On at least some rudimentary level. Its
what I want. Maybe this forum can help with that :)
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