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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: rgardner
Date: December 15, 2014, 4:05 pm
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Wow A/S/L :o
You are churning up a lot of "old" posts I have never seen (I am
a latent newbie).
Glad to respond:
Had a very mellow "trip" with chocolate mescaline (peyote) -
Jan. 1970, Oahu, Hawaii.
Sitting on a park bench in Waikiki around 4 AM, gazing out at
the incoming surf. Only the white caps were visible, correlated
with the whooossshhh as the wave broke.
A pressing thought in my mind was, "Who and what am I?"
I bonded with what I now refer to as "Omega", the "oneness".
Like a total joyous release of all societal bondage. Complete
to: "I am an animal, grateful for life." -> "What do I need to
survive?"
..And had to build multiple ego's (A few did not work out) to
eventually survive in society.
You asked..... ;)
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: JulianG
Date: December 15, 2014, 4:08 pm
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Need some advice...
Jed please show me some hints... really need to start
navigating...
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: SplashArtist
Date: December 15, 2014, 4:13 pm
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Great post Jed, this would have been helpful to me awhile ago.
Very important to see through even the most 'enlightening' peak
experience. No need to chase the enlightenment carrot either,
you'll never catch it. You WILL get tired of running though. HA!
Cheers everyone!
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Matt Ricks
Date: December 15, 2014, 4:20 pm
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Good subject, one of my obstacles. You even called me bliss
ninny after my first post, nice observation ;). I had years of
almost daily spiritual experiences of all kinds (following
various of esoteric techniques to initiate them). When they
dissappeared I had dark nights of longing and feeling empty
without them. I understood eventually that they will not produce
T/R and lost the motivation to restore them with efforts, but
the desire to have them has not disappeared.
Questions that are hard to see through - is there REALLY no
enjoyER? the spiritual state is sure known, but is it known to
something which cannot enjoy or feel desire at all? Is desire a
story? So far from the regular view, that resistence shows up
(hinting that it's BS, and the trinity seer-seen-seeing pointed
by Gurus is just a play with words). Is spiritual experience
REALLY not better than sitting in the toilet? good/bad must be
for someone. But everything is divided to good/bad, so how would
I ever see through this huge division? Is bliss ONLY an empty
label (thought and sensations)? Why does "divinity" feeling seem
to be richer than a thought?
This is mind blowing, and there are many doubts too...
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: December 16, 2014, 2:01 am
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Dear Matt:
Nothing is better than anything else. Seer, seeing and seen is
not the way it is, there is only perceiving with no you in the
picture.
Desire is the thought that one part of the dream is better than
another, ain't so. A dream is a dream.
Sitting on the toilet can be entertaining. There is no good or
bad, you create all that in your little head, usually you make
up a pretty miserable story. Why? It's not you making it up,
it's Maya/ego and she demands constant drama, real or imagined
doesn't matter.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Jack
Date: December 17, 2014, 7:52 pm
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This one got me thinking, so I figured I would throw this out
there.
My big experience happened when I was 25. I had been chasing
the Enlightenment thing pretty hard via Alan Watts and other Zen
cats. I was still in school studying Philosophy so I basically
had all day to rip ideas apart searching for the basic Truth.
One day, my girlfriend blew me off for a date that I was
planning and I was totally convinced that she was cheating on
me. I drove back to my apartment and ended up lying on the
bathroom floor crying so hard that a pool of snot and tears
formed under my head. I wasn't so much suicidal as suicide was
a forgone conclusion, it was just when it would happen that was
in question. I just cried until I had nothing left and passed
out.
Anyways, I woke up the next day with absolutely no energy and
grabbed my headphones and laid down on the floor. What happened
next is really hard to describe, but for the first time I
completely gave up on everything and was just me. At first I
was pure rage, then I cried alot. Then I thought of how much I
loved my little sister and these waves of Love started building
in me. It became quite overwhelming at one point.
Then my attention was drawn to different points in my body and I
started feeling these knots start to untie themselves (best way
of describing it: I just allowed my attention to flow to various
points in my body and sooner or later something would release).
I then put my attention on the feeling of "I" and tried to find
it...and I couldn't. That realization was like getting hit with
a wrecking ball. I didn't know what I was.
That discovery blew the door off the experience. I then started
spontaneously understanding or "knowing things": how the ego was
fictional, how the mind was purely a tool and always partially
wrong, that everyone was chasing love no matter what they were
doing, that I was not a human but consciousness, that it was
impossible to die. I knew that I was now awake in a way I had
never been before and was shocked that it was so simple and that
everyone was missing it.
It was at this point that a --and this is the only way I can
describe it-- a whirlpool opened up in the middle of my abdomen
and sucked me inside out through myself it to Pure, Peaceful,
Emptiness...which was me. I expanded backwards until the
experience of the earth was just a speck of dust. I was just
the emptiness/consciousness that is I am.
Then I came back to my body, my story, etc. I then spent the
next 3 years building an obnoxious dip-s-h-i-t of a character as
the "Mystic" who had achieved Enlightenment in the past and was
only waiting for the full event. I grew long hair and wore
beads. And I chased that experience like heroin. Drugs were
the closest that I got, but they were unreliable and hard to
come by.
To this day I have no idea what happened. Was it a mystical
experience? was it a seeing of Truth?
But I still chase that experience everyday.
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: jonnydas
Date: December 17, 2014, 8:15 pm
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>P.S I am aware of the challenging work many of you are doing
and I do appreciate it. I know it's seldom easy, can be, but not
usually.
Hi Jed,
You say, '...it's seldom easy, can be, but not usually.'
So under what circumstances can it be easy? Curious.
Thanks.
Jon
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Zoe Chen
Date: December 17, 2014, 8:50 pm
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Wow, this is a big hit to me!
you said, Reality... there is no you and that imaginary you
didn't have it, it happened, and that importance was just an act
of illusory ego.....
i just realized how powerful the maya could weave all kind of
illusion around me, if i have a "I" being there!?
p.s. it feels so released by dropping all that beautiful
experience i had, OMG, how am i so stupid to even carry those
beautiful burden all the time... :o thanks Jed
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: December 17, 2014, 10:26 pm
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Dear Z:
Good work.
and Jon:
It's easiest when you haven't attached a great deal of
importance to it, or anything.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Cannonball
Date: December 19, 2014, 1:36 pm
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It's a funny thing..
I think for your own path to T/R experiences are just that. They
happen, you reflect on them and you let them go. Clinging to
them only holds you back from progress.
However if you want to communicate with others your personal
experience is all you really have. You speak from YOUR
experience. Anyone elses is second hand and only valuable for
reference.
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