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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Fear
Date: October 30, 2014, 7:51 am
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I find myself chasing HA, chasing first step just because it was
described in your books, I have a hard time letting that go. I
fantasize of either having gone thought it and not realising it
or doing stuff and basing decisions on what the imagined first
step would be like.
I also chase yesterdays coffe and chocolate constantly,
yesterdays beer, yesterdays love, yesterdays childhood,
yesterdays suns warmth and shape of the moon. WHat is not a
repeated experience? Do I even want new and fresh and energy and
invigorating? Sometimes I really doubt it. Im just a liar. I
just want the candy, I dont want the broccoli.
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Gwen
Date: October 30, 2014, 7:59 am
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Maybe the first step is realising that you're
not a liar but THE LIE.
Love
Gwen
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Fear
Date: October 30, 2014, 9:48 am
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I dont really get what you are trying to say, sorry. I dont know
what a first step is. I know nothing about it and probably would
be better off if i knew even less.
TO continue the rant, Ive been extorting, blackmailing, trying
to make experiences appear, experiences based on memory or
memory mixed with expectation, but how could I know in advance
what a new experience would be like? What a new state would be
like? SO I have been doing what ive always been doing trying to
get something new, not even new, ive been trying to get
something old, hoping it would by some voodoo be new.
Now that is stupidity. I have just been trying my ass off to
repeat what has been had. And lost.
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: October 30, 2014, 10:02 am
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;)
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: know1
Date: October 30, 2014, 1:32 pm
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So, I'm going to explain (to the best of my ability) my
experience of the difference of between "Spiritual Experience”
or S/E and Unity Consciousness U/C. (ha, that's not coincidence,
U do C)
S/E is called for by a “you” mostly through the tool of prayer,
personally I don’t like that word so let’s call it a “petition"
since that’s what most prayers in the dream state are, children
begging or petitioning for help out of their little
quick-sandbox.
“Knock and it shall be opened unto you.” This old standard from
the Christian B/S actually works, it’s just that most in the
dream state only use it as a “red flare” to get them out of
trouble, otherwise it sits ignored in the trunk of their mind.
When utilized there can be a peacefulness that comes over the
petitioner, a sense that things are ok and the troubled mind
abates it’s disruption. for someone moving in an H/A state this
prayer is not a petition or supplication but an “affirmation” a
“Thy will be done” expression instead of a “Fix this up the way
my ego'd like to see it please”. In H/A prayer is simply an
expression of gratitude versus in H/C which is just a begging to
get what you want.
U/C is not called for and cannot be called for, this is the
first big difference between the two, like how in Damnedest
Arjuna “Didn’t get out of bed asking to be enlightened, the
Universe just flashed him”
I have had two U/C experiences, both were benchmarks in my
sojourn here, the first jump started me from H/C to beginning
H/A at the age of 30, the second opened the door toward T/R from
H/A and happened at 49. The main factor that was present in both
and facilitated both was that I was completely in the grips of
Ego and anger prior to the event, Ego had come up hard against
something that it could not control. This event I call “The
Maelstrom”
Maelstrom |ˈmālˌsträm, -strəm| noun a
powerful whirlpool in the sea or a river.• a situation or state
of confused movement or violent turmoil.
There seemed no escape from the whirlpool of pain and confusion
and violent turmoil that was completely overwhelming me, suicide
was an extremely viable exit strategy.
At some point during this Maelstrom, my “I Am" recognized the
Ego creating all of it, all the pain and anger and in the light
of this understanding the ego broke, it seemed to implode and
was sucked into a nothingness. The only way I can explain what
took place next is to say when the ego disappeared there was a
vast, calm, emptiness inside me, the ego had filled it and it’s
disappearance had created a vacuum and what quickly filled the
vacuum was the Absolute.
All I could do was cry in ecstasy, in bliss (sorry Jed) for days
the first time, weeks the second. The only way I have found to
describe this is that nothing mattered, there was no matter and
the most sacred Light, Love enveloped every part of whatever I
wasn’t anymore. All was forgiven and never needed to be
forgiven. Gah, on and on I could go, and on and on I went, for 2
1/2 years trying to re-create it, until I read Damnedest six
months ago and then understood I was chasing the wrong thing,
Without Damnedest I’d still be chasing it.
Thanks Jed.
#Post#: 3741--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: October 30, 2014, 8:16 pm
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Thanks for sharing your experiences Know1. I once said f u c k
bliss in a moment of indelicacy, oh well, I'm still very human.
What is should have said is f
everything-that-sticks-you-in-any-way. This was the point of
further. It doesn't matter what occurs, what realization, what
state, further is the best mantra I know.
So.... f - it, could mean 'further it'.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: guest89
Date: November 2, 2014, 4:17 pm
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I've had such experience. The first time was when I was about
11, during meditation, and I did get hung up on re-experiencing
it, for the longest time. The second was about two years ago,
out of the blue, and it mercifully came with the follow-up
epiphany that experience and thoughts about experience
(especially including the memory of it) are entirely different
things. I generally credit the epiphany part of that as the bomb
that cleared a lot of the deadwood from everyday interference
with working memory…or at least colouring it an appropriate
sepia when it features therein.
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Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: November 2, 2014, 9:42 pm
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;D
#Post#: 6459--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: A/S/L
Date: December 15, 2014, 9:34 am
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I had a couple, drug induced. I did spend a micro amount of time
searching for it again through other means than just popping a
pill again. Got over it. Fear and Loathing in las vegas + diary
of don juan + putting my jedcap on helped me to quickly move
past this sticking point.
#Post#: 6502--------------------------------------------------
Re: Jed rant on your spiritual experiences
DIR By: JulianG
Date: December 15, 2014, 3:50 pm
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Had a couple. I Don`t know how to describe or explain them but
here's my best try....
The first time was one I tried chi-gong meditation and suddenly
"I" "felt" something in my arms and according to what I red it
is "the energy called chi". That was a pretty huge deal for me
as that experience forced me to open my mind to "non material
things" as I couldn't deny what I was feeling. Since that
experience, such "energy" (or whatever it is) feeling have never
left. Sometimes after practicing for 30 minutes I feel some
peace and relaxation (this lasts for 30 minutes or so). My best
guess is that this is because I have to concentrate on
movements, breathing, visualization and etc.. which makes all
other thoughts disappear for a moment.
Later I had 3 or 4 other similar experiences but they just
happened without doing anything in particular. The "energy" just
invaded my hole body and I felt a strong sense of peace for some
moments (I never felt this good before). I think that feeling
left because I started to analyze and make sense (mind) of what
was happening.
So right know I'm feeling like a good seller of this "energy"
stuff and know for sure that I suffer every time I want to make
that "I never felt this good before" experience something
permanent...
I'm also aware that I could learn some "tricks" using this
"energy" thing but again, don't want to get attached to them,
like "look! I know chi-gong"... just want to be free from this
dream character(s) and world. No more acting, just NO SELF.
According to what "I" know, T/R is not something that can be
thought, mind just creates more mind,,,, that T/R is just
nothing....
To sum up, I just know that "I" DON'T know a sh#?....... so HOW?
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