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       #Post#: 37913--------------------------------------------------
       Love
       By: Rog Date: April 15, 2019, 7:48 pm
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       Second question thats always bugged me about your stuff which
       I've never understood.
       You seem to initially pooh pooh love as an answer to life/truth
       etc... (following the heart, "everything is love", etc...)  Yet
       you've also said in your books that you value the real thing,
       you just realized after truth realization that what you'd always
       thought of as love, you never really loved, you just thought you
       did.  It bothered me for a while.  Partly cause I like the idea
       of love (ok, yes, idea, I see my own mental imagining of the
       notion.)  Partly because you seemed full of shit in saying there
       was no such thing as love (what you naturally are seems to be is
       kindness, genuineness, acceptance, etc...  Your 'child
       interaction' segments of your books, if true, show you being
       considerate towards those who aren't ready or asking for what
       you teach.  This seems like obvious kindness/love as your
       natural and effortless way of existing, alongside your no BS
       stuff.  The discrepancy of this confused and bothered me for a
       while, not so much these days.  But I'd still like to ask
       directly then, because you've made a big statement against it as
       a whole, but then later referred back to it as having reality
       and being a fan of the real thing.
       So question is, what is the real thing then?  As you see and
       speak of it now.
       #Post#: 37916--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Love
       By: Jed McKenna Date: April 15, 2019, 11:24 pm
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       Hi Rog:
       Please use only one thread. Helps me stay organized.
       Love is a biggie, of course. All the churches of the world would
       seem to preach it, however they haven't change much of the world
       in two thousand years. People get married and profess their
       love, over half have nasty divorces and then profess their hate
       while f-ing up their children for their future ''love''
       experiences. Take the U.S. (please), they are supposed to be
       Christians and profess to love and forgive.... uh sure, and what
       is their record on that one?  ::) ::) ::). Thousands and
       thousands of people fall in love every day and a week or two
       later are talking bout that b it ch or that ba s tar d. How can
       that be love?
       If I could tell you what love was, I would be lying, because
       real love does not bend itself to words. You either experience
       it or you don't. What I am suggesting when I come down hard on
       love is that most of what is presented as love is egotistical,
       arrogant, self-serving, jealous, insecurity trying to appear as
       something more gracious.... but the true light of those
       expressions and experiences come through in the end. Envy,
       hatred, jealousy, argumentative self-serving social media
       comments and arguments, blah, blah, blah... I can tell you for
       sure that those are not expressions of love. They are childish
       cries for attention.
       You are going to have to find out what love is for you, and it
       may not be what it is for me, that's perfectly all right, just
       don't kid yourself along the way. When you really experience
       love along life's journey, you will realize that it has nothing
       to do with thinking, analyzing, getting, understanding,
       thinking, etc. If it is for something or somebody is is
       superficial, as long as there is a separation, a ''you'' and a
       ''them'', you will only be experiencing a reflection in a
       mirror, not the real thing.
       ALL you experiences are mirror-like reflections. Seek their
       source and you will have all the love you desire but there will
       no longer be anyone seeking. The action of a ''you'' seeking a
       ''something'' is sufficient separation to occult real love.
       Nuf said  ??? ??? ??? ??? :P
       Love ya, Jed.
       #Post#: 37918--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Love
       By: Rog Date: April 16, 2019, 2:26 am
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       Tanku much.  Makes much more sense than what it seemed you'd
       been saying at one point.  And yeah, not that we have to agree
       or think the same, but basically this answer doesn't make me
       chew my cud wondering what the heck someone else's
       truth/experience is that they negate love entirely, where for me
       it seems to be something specific or have an intrinsic meaning.
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