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Prometheus
By: anthropisces Date: April 1, 2019, 6:25 pm
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I recently suffered something similar to a stroke. It’s a bit
different but there's still the paralysis and other physical
differences of that sort and I've gone from a super-athletic
life to being able to walk without falling and to do some chores
around the house; its been quite a life change.
I enjoy myself most when I understand it as a next step of an
adventure that I have no idea where it is taking me. I enjoy
myself most when I abandon having a plan. I like watching it
unfold instead of trying to control it.
I enjoy myself least when I find myself taking things at their
face value and watching myself get upset over things which seem
to have consequences. I don't enjoy it when plans of
self-preservation (or ideas that I am preserving someone else)
are spooling in my head.
Fear keeps me oscillating between truth and not-truth and I seem
sort of condemned to repeating the cycle. No amount of spiritual
autolysis seems to be able to permanently lay it bare. Rather I
see it, forget that I've seen it, only to later return to
watching the wall in Plato's cave.
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Re: Prometheus
By: Jed McKenna Date: April 1, 2019, 11:25 pm
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When you realize that there is no you seeing anything, then the
nothingness is going to stick.. but don't ask me to what....
::) ::) ::)
Love ya, Jed
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Re: Prometheus
By: anthropisces Date: April 2, 2019, 10:32 am
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Maybe this thing that goes around calling itself I is a
forgetter. There have to be icons for forgetting in this,
otherwise how might remembering be possible? There's no down
without up. no remembering without forgetting. There are no
characters going around remembering if there aren't characters
going around forgetting. There is no realizing without not
realizing.
If someone doesn't remember the names of their loved ones it
doesn't seem relevant to say "when you realize such and such,
then it will stick..." That is like trying to apply tape to an
oily surface. It doesn't matter how tried and true the recipe is
for applying tape; it simply won't work.
Without those things that go around calling themselves "I" that
don't realize, how could there be those that do? One defines the
other.
It can't be known for sure when the eagle will land to eat this
liver again, or how long it will take to regrow. It has been
going on this way for quite some time and realizing doesn't seem
to change anything about it except the emotional
investment...all of which probably deserves another look, and
all of which seems sure to be forgotten (unrealized).
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Re: Prometheus
By: Jed McKenna Date: April 3, 2019, 12:06 am
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Thanks for sharing, but I can't seem to remember who you are. If
you find out, please let me know.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Prometheus
By: anthropisces Date: April 3, 2019, 10:37 am
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I guess I had better get more serious about SA. It is not as if
I have some other idea for what to do. I have written so much
and I have to admit that through it I've come to some starling
realizations. For example I've come to the understanding that I
don't have anything to teach anyone. There have been a few other
big surprises like that. But no matter how much SA I've done,
the Prometheus cycle is still at play.
For me it is like Satan's comment that every man is a happiness
and suffering machine. The up-down is dizzying.
Thanks very much Jed
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Re: Prometheus
By: anthropisces Date: April 3, 2019, 8:07 pm
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There's identity with my dream character at play that I can't
seem to shake in a way that might be called "abiding".
There's a lot of watching of the cave wall that i also can't
seem to shake in a way that is abiding.
I guess I have a lot in common with someone that is trying to
quit something addictive. Is that what I'm doing? When I "use"
again, there's a lot of nausea. What am I using? I don't even
know. Maybe I'm using attachment? I'm just as miserable as a a
stereotypical junkie in an old Starsky and Hutch episode and I
don't even know what the monkey that is on my back is.
There's lots of temporary this and that, but the reason I called
my thread Prometheus as that none of it is abiding.
Is this realization that there is no I going to come from
continued writing? I thought that I had experienced that
realization and then I saw that it was something egoic and
didn't keep going. In addition to SA I write about gratitude,
miracles and coincidences.
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Re: Prometheus
By: Jed McKenna Date: April 3, 2019, 8:16 pm
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Just stick with it.
Love ya, Jed
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Re: Prometheus
By: anthropisces Date: April 5, 2019, 5:27 pm
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Read the stories of a lot of people, legends, writers, speakers.
Tried their methods. Tried them on like a set of clothes and
wore them for years. I done a lot of methods. Spent a lifetime
as a Method_done addict.
Now there's Jed McKenna. Read two of his three books and am
reading his Jed Talks 2. I read and listen to a lot of stuff
related to Jed McKenna.
He describes a method called Spiritual Autolysis and he provides
some maps of whats along the road he took. He writes a lot about
Moby Dick. I spent half the train ride from Tokyo to Kamikura
reading about the composition of the head of a Sperm Whale in
one of the chapters of that book. I read it because Jed seems
different and Jed read it and he says that breakout archetype of
Ahab is something one might want to contemplate (maybe if they
are nauseous from watching their liver being picked out in a
cyclic fashion).
This is what a Method-done addiction would generate though isn't
it? another set of methods.
Don't see, calculate; more methods. Write down what's true, keep
pulling the thread; more methods.
These methods have to be the real methods right? It isn't just
because of the addiction, the Method-done addiction.
It's true that there's no way of knowing what's out there.
It seems true that if a bird flies at the windshield on the
highway that there's a chance for there to be a perception of
swerving and ducking. Its unknown whats involved, whether there
is a bird, a driver, a car, etc. but there is a perception of
these. It seems true that there's other perceived phenomenon
like that and its true that there's a perception of
exhilaration. That exhilaration might be linked to what is being
perceived playing on the wall of the movie theater.
It seems to be the case that there can be a perception that a
watching of the movie on the cave wall ends, and that there is a
walking away from it right back into another theater in which
the movie playing is one in which the cave wall is no longer
being watched.
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Re: Prometheus
By: Jed McKenna Date: April 5, 2019, 11:44 pm
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Dear Method-done-jumping-around-person:
Thanks for sharing. I think you are more of a dabbler than a
doer....am I right? Just guessing. I suggest finding whatever
clicks for you and following it to it's end... just make sure
you don't ''follow'' or dedicate yourself to any ''person''
because the dream doesn't need more sheep.
There are hundreds of methods and any one can take you all the
way, provided you follow through and you are ripe. The latter
one being the more challenging cause you have little control
over it.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Prometheus
By: anthropisces Date: April 8, 2019, 8:14 pm
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Isn't following what clicks till its end just the same as
living?
Following what clicks doesn't lead where it seems like it might.
Its not in any way disappointing and further it can make things
pretty fun to have to adapt to the unexpected. When my career
took me to live and work in Asian countries I was blown away by
that unexpected turn. There were unexpected limitation
associated with the cultural differences though and these I did
not expect. I had started out following a career in science and
I ended up as a cultural bridge between the western and eastern
sides of the business. That was unexpected. When they laid me
off, and I ended up in a very different field that was
unexpected.
Do you mean something else?
i'm realizing that some of the doing/dabbling has been about
identity more than about either doing or dabbling.
What I really need is a recipe to stop thinking. What do people
do who don't constantly think? Are they hearing every bird
chirp, seeing every branch blow in the breeze? Do they go around
appreciating instead of angsting all day?
I ride this roller coaster of understanding and forgetting and
the voids are filled by thinking.
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