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What in the hell have I seemingly unleashed
DIR By: LivingTheDream-LTD
Date: October 14, 2018, 10:53 pm
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In hoping you can help me Jed. I'm 39. I'm 6 yrs into this deal.
First 2 were a nightmare, acting out what remained to be seeked
externally. A real disaster. From the ashes of this disaster
came 4 yrs of steady but assured progress, turning attention
inward, letting go any desires besides my basic needs and
helping to foster this experience best I could. I sampled it all
during this time. Nothing was off limits in so far as it could
help. Breaking out of the world of thought stories was huge.
Quite mind followed. Now I've found a place in meditation that
scares the hell out of me. It sneaks up on me and once it grabs
hold I pull back and narrowly escape. Several times now ive
danced this line. Like to go forward would be to completely
dissolve from whatever this is, as if none of this, any of this,
was ever real at all. Not just the dream which is not real but
even the everything that's ever been. All of it. Even my concept
of a loving creator. What lies beyond? What is the reality
beyond the illusions? You appear to still be here. How is that
possible? Does everyone who steps out have a choice or chance to
come back? Or am I deluded which at this point would be welcome
news. You've said one must be nuts to want T/R. So am I nuts
cause I want it or am I nuts to believe I've found It? No need
to be gentle, direct truth is good by me. Thank you my friend.
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Re: What in the hell have I seemingly unleashed
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: October 15, 2018, 12:23 am
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Hi there and thank you for sharing your story. Let me put into
words (feebly though they be) my experience in this adventure.
I know exactly what you are talking about and it is scary
because it is a conscious form of dying, a form of suicide, or
perhaps dreamercide. One time upon experiencing that blackness I
just gave up. I through myself into it as best I could. Yes,
there is nothing there but not the lack of anything kind of
nothing. It's the realization that there never was anything...
plus the realization that if the is any kind of God it is me,
but not this me in the body. Everything that appears to arise
arises in me. BUT, they are all appearances as anything that
comes will eventually go.
I realized that at that moment, which lasted anywhere from a
nano-second to an infinity, I was given a choice. I felt like it
was the only time I ever had true free will. Absolute freedom to
just stay there and exist as God, or to return and live our this
human dream.
Those who choose to stay there experience this world of
humanness in ways that can be very strange. Those that choose to
''come back'' to the dream realize the ordinariness that is
quite unusual and most, at least the smart ones, just shut up.
Here is an example of some who have experienced some challenges
in integrating their experience. However, keep in mind, this is
only my experiences and sharings. Your's may be completely
different as Truth has infinite facets.
Love ya, Jed.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hiKDMsIHn8
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Re: What in the hell have I seemingly unleashed
DIR By: LivingTheDream-LTD
Date: October 15, 2018, 9:52 am
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First off allow me to express my deep gratitude for the way in
which you make your self available. So far as I know you're the
only one like you available to the masses, world wide, seemingly
24/7. Historically this seems significant. Alright, ass kissing
aside....
What I want is to follow Jesus home. Home as he describes it via
ACIM. He was my first, and eventually my last ie current, guide.
I never followed a living guide yet I've explored everything
available using whatever teachers were available. The thought
system presented by Christ, which can be glimpsed through his
parables, has been a better guide in undoing myself than any
other single source. This and an almost constant internal mantra
"less of me more of you, soften my heart and change my mind".
Complete willingness to step down.
So there is the enlightenment I generally identified with, ie
the universe that wakes up to itself, the one where I'm God and
that's that and then there is the enlightenment Christ speaks of
in which we return to our rightful place as co creator with that
which created us. The us that creates and indulges in this dream
of separation and lack. A dream to foreign and false to be
shared with our creator in anyway.
So I want not to identify as and wake up as this universe, God,
etc. I want to wake up in my rightful home. Without a creator,
in who's eyes is our perfection made real and eternally
garunteed? I fear that following through as we have been
discussing may be a trap. Like the final fireworks show this
universe has to offer in order to keep us identified as God.
I can not thank you enough for this dialogue. As you seem to
understand well, that this is downright terrifying at times.
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Re: What in the hell have I seemingly unleashed
DIR By: LivingTheDream-LTD
Date: October 15, 2018, 10:45 am
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Also, as to the film, yikes. People get down with it in all
sorts of ways. I'm thankful I'm waking up in the West with zero
spiritual tradition, ritual, or collectively enforced beliefs.
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Re: What in the hell have I seemingly unleashed
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: October 15, 2018, 11:15 pm
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Hi there:
Thank you for your kind words. The West has many collectively
enforce beliefs. The challenge is that from inside those western
beliefs they appear to be transparent, invisible because they
are everywhere. The west doesn't have a monopoly on spiritual
b.s., but it has more than enough.
Regarding ACIM and your pursuits, it's not a path that I was/am
drawn to... but that's just my way of being. I can tell you that
if I was drawn to it I would pursue the works of William Blake.
IMHO, he was fully self realized in a kind of Christian Mystic
way. His poetry is amazing.
Regarding your mantra: "less of me more of you, soften my heart
and change my mind" I wouldn't invest energy in changing
something that is only a temporary construct and more a concept
that a thing. Mind is not the solution, it is the problem.
Regarding less of me and more of you, there is no two in Truth,
only One. If you are serious (obviously you are) then just ask
yourself in every moment ''What would Christ do?'' this way you
will be completely free of any burden of being a human. Just do
what Christ would do and you already know in your heart what he
would do at every turn. Don't pretend you don't know.... after
all you are Him.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: What in the hell have I seemingly unleashed
DIR By: LivingTheDream-LTD
Date: October 28, 2018, 7:27 am
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As too spiritual tradition, clearly I'd be the last person to
notice it's effects on me. The perspective with the blind spot
is not very good at spotting it. I grew up in a rather faithless
household unless you count the Democratic political system and
money as ideals for expression of faith. Be this as it may be,
there were a couple religious holidays I remember being
celebrated throughout my life. I'm sure it will not surprise you
to hear that those holidays were Christmas and Easter. The irony
is not lost on me here. Although, at the time, I did not know
what I was really celebrating the association was made. Things
involving Christ lead to gifts and candy. Hard to deny the
potential for conditioning to take hold under these
circumstances. Still, I back my play all the way home. There are
many paths to full realization, Christ is the one which drew me
in originally and then again coming back around after a long
period of floating identification.
As to the mantras, this is simply how it manifested to me
originally. That there were 2. I was lost in thought stories 99%
of the time post initial surrender, awakening experience, holy
instant, whatever, when I first broke through the circus running
round my mind, albeit quite temporarily. It took a lot of years
and a lot of methods and perspectives in order to unwind my
mind. During this time it was as if there were 2 of me. The one
I glimpsed on occasion through whatever perspective I was toying
with, this one was at total peace, quiet mind, no story, then
the one lost in thought stories the majority of the time, this
one was becoming fully aware of the pain of being the
subordinate to thoughts and their underlying beliefs. Seeing you
are a slave to the mind really gets tricky once you realize you
are the slave driver as well. Ouch. Lots of tough ones along the
way.
The first 20 pages of your first book eloquently lays the whole
thing out. First time I read it, couple years back, I couldn't
yet verify all of it from my own experience but more than enough
for it to ring true. I've been drawn irresistibly to many texts
along the way. Few rang true like yours did. Just wanted to
share some gratitude. 😉
So, to continue the conversation, I'd like to talk about option
2 that you mentioned. Staying there and experiencing this world
in unusual ways. For sure that is the way I'm headed. I don't
claim to understand or even bother with the why of it all but
suffice to say, I'm good checking out and never fully checking
back in. Ok, that sounds a little ominous but it's not meant
that way nor felt that way. Its simply the direction I appear to
be headed. Perhaps being in the world but not of the world is
synamnomous with option 2. I don't know of course, how could I,
but I should still like to chat about it for whatever time I
have left if you're feeling inclined. I've quite purposely
stopped doing anything to encourage the exit to start up again.
Lack of faith? Doubt? Uncertainty? You bet. Sorting it all out,
wondering how long I will keep this up.
I so appreciate the dialog. You were always on a short list of
living beings I recognized as self realized and took seriously.
Just FYI, Osho (I know he's no longer alive) and Bryon Katie
shared the top 3 with you. Throw Adyshanti and Tolle in there at
times. I'm actually surprised at how easy it is to talk with
you. But, you know what they say about meeting your idols! Such
a pleasure all around my friend.
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Re: What in the hell have I seemingly unleashed
DIR By: Jed McKenna
Date: October 28, 2018, 8:39 am
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Hi there LTD:
Thanks for sharing those words and experiences. You sound pretty
wise to me, and also quite free of the detritus that accumulates
with the human dream.
I have joined with some pretty wealthy backers in securing a
series of condo-caves in the foothills of the Himalayas. We also
have the backing of an NGO in India call STS, (Save the Saved).
It's sort of a Christians Anonymous thing. I keep telling them
there is no one to save, but they insist on doing it and offered
me the primo ground floor cave, complete with mini-gym and
sauna... I mean, what's a guy to do. Sometimes it's hard to say
no to East Indians. Now I gotta stop saying 'Love ya' so,
Namaste, Jed.
Ohh... I like the feeling of that. S and G. but I don't like the
fact that they insist I can't play my guitar and sing Dylan
songs anymore. Maybe I'll pass on the deal. Play the destroyer
(Shiva) with their dreams. We shall see.
BTW, you don't really need my assistance. You know the answer to
every question because it's always the same answer. BUT, write
me any time.
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