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       Talks #1 have started thinking
   DIR By: Parsley
       Date: August 30, 2018, 1:03 pm
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       Hi Jed,
       I’ve come to read your latest book (Talks #1). And it has
       started me thinking.
       Well, I‘ve catched the message, that it’s absolute pointless
       trying to achieve T/R (or better to say UnT/UnR).
       It’s funny, you say you would be surprised if there are more
       than 30 or 40 enlightened people in the world. So isn’t it a
       great big joke that so many people are trying to achieve what is
       almost unachievable? Who seduced me to even think about such a
       pursuit?
       Maya is really adorable, which means this program unfolding
       before our eyes (Brahman’s eyes) is brilliant without any doubt.
       Brahman playing Avatar, no, getting played by his own
       timeless consciousness.
       So what are we doing here on this forum? Suddenly it looks like
       another trick of Maya to keep people from committing suicide by
       telling them there is something to achieve. And that’s perfect,
       ok. As the german writer Hermann Hesse once wrote: „Life does
       not get flat, stupid and boring if you try to achieve an ideal
       but by thinking you have to achieve it“. Stay hungry!
       Well, now that thinking has started I’m wondering: How does this
       forum fit together with the books? Is this forum a trial getting
       a message through to the little bastard within, or merely a
       clever distraction from it (a safeguard if the spiritual
       marketplace fails trying to save persistent ego from a pointless
       path of self-destruction)?
       You wrote: „In my experience, virtually all spiritual seekers
       insist on looking without for what lies within. That’s why
       students are never qualified to ask questions and why I stopped
       playing the teacher role.“
       So why now go on teaching?
       (sorry if I wrote to much).
       #Post#: 35635--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Talks #1 have started thinking
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: August 31, 2018, 12:27 am
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       Hi Parsley:
       Welcome to the forum and you raise some good point.
       First off, never, ever believe anything another person
       (including me) tells you. Always go and find out for yourself.
       Words issued from other dream character's mouth are just more
       dream material. They might point and be useful, and might not,
       but always test for yourself. Have you ever said, ''I love you''
       when you were not thinking exactly that? How about I hate you
       when you were simply angry? Maybe you said, ''Good morning, how
       are you'' when you could not have cared less about the person
       and would rather they just go away.
       Why does it seem that so many folks seek ''this'' and so few
       achieve/realize it? Most folks don't really want T/R, they are
       not willing to give up all their stories, pain,
       self-justification and various other things which are so
       important to them.
       Keep in mind that there is no such thing as a non-fiction book.
       Libraries might try to tell you there is, but once a word is
       written down or spoken it is subject to the interpretation of
       the recipient... and then the fiction become obvious to an
       evolved viewer.
       There is not me here to teach anyone there... there is no one
       their... just a collection of dream characters in their pain
       arguing for their limitation.... and, of course, everyone is a
       both a teach and a student all the time.
       You mind is continually seeking security, consistency and
       continuity.... and your mind is never going to find it... but
       that doesn't stop it until it stop... someday. The answer to
       your ''why'' questions are always the same, 'because' or 'it
       seemed like a good idea at the time'. You, or I, can make up
       reasons but because they are made up, they are.... made up. Made
       up reasons are completely fluff. From now own, try answering
       everybodies ''why'' questions with ''because'' and then watch
       how their mind start churning up reasons.... all b. s. Perhaps
       well intentioned, but just silly.
       What are you seeking? Let me guess. You want to have a happy
       life without pain or sorrow... is that true? If you don't have
       that now, I can tell you exactly why (hmmm.) no, not because,
       but because of your mind.
       Never, ever, expect people, especially me, to be consistent or
       reasonable. I am neither and no one else is either, but precious
       few realize that.
       The books filter out contenders from pretenders, the forum takes
       that further and then perhaps they join me on a one on one basis
       in the Nav Series.... it's a little like a funnel. Why do it
       this way... you already know the answer.
       Love ya, Jed.
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       Re: Talks #1 have started thinking
   DIR By: Parsley
       Date: August 31, 2018, 12:22 pm
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       I do agree with your comments, not because you convinced me, but
       'because'.  ;)
       Seeking a happy life without pain and sorrow?
       What is happiness? It's relative, depending on all the debris in
       the mind. Is it the orgasm or the calm after the orgasm, or the
       urge to get more or the peace of letting go?
       Even my stupid mind accepts, that the best way to get unhappy is
       the pusuit of happiness. It's a trap, it simply does not work. I
       miss the point trying to control emotions.
       These days my damaged health is pushing me to seek for
       solutions. But it's getting obvious that it's all about death.
       Death of dreams, hopes, plans, stories, status, trophys; death
       of the illusion to think I am this guy who I thought I am for so
       long.
       Have I really thought this? How can that be if I (ego-self) do
       not really exist.
       On some other topic you recommended to sit down, relax, breathe
       and let myself die with all these imaginations of future and
       past and what I have won or achieved and what I have lost or
       missed.
       Is there any better practice? I don't think so.
       This just happens to "me" whether I want it or not. It's
       painful, of course. But it looks like Maya has cancelled its
       support to throw me back into the race.
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       Re: Talks #1 have started thinking
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: September 1, 2018, 1:00 am
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       Sounds like you are doing fine, except for the pain. You might
       want to ask who the pain is occurring to. Go as deep as you can.
       Love ya, Jed.
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       Re: Talks #1 have started thinking
   DIR By: Parsley
       Date: September 6, 2018, 10:10 am
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       I appreciate your short focused answers, always pointing at 'who
       does it occur to?'
       It's the mind thinking that me and the stories are true.
       Fortunately not in my case because 'I' reached the point of
       having enough of chasing illusions. No resistance anymore that
       it's all burning down. There goes this illusive Me, bye bye.
       What is lost? Nothing.
       So who's the mind thinking there's a person with pain?
       A patch in the program. Maya.
       I am. Infinite. Not the person, but the no-one wearing the
       person (all persons) to act like someone (billions of ones).
       Oh oh, sounds like: "Teacher, teacher, am I right?" :-)
       Who cares?
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       Re: Talks #1 have started thinking
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: September 7, 2018, 12:15 am
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       You have always been right in everything you have ever said or
       done... to bad, there is no such thing as ''right''.
       Love ya, Jed.
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       Re: Talks #1 have started thinking
   DIR By: Parsley
       Date: September 7, 2018, 2:14 pm
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       Not bad, damn good! :-)
       #Post#: 35727--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Talks #1 have started thinking
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: September 7, 2018, 11:31 pm
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       No good, no bad ... that's the sameness of Truth.
       Love ya, Jed.
       #Post#: 35732--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Talks #1 have started thinking
   DIR By: Parsley
       Date: September 8, 2018, 1:30 pm
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       Yes, of course. These days I get reminders from all around to
       leave it behind being fixed on feelings. They come they go, same
       as with thoughts, no good or bad.
       This person that I am wearing (belonging to this phenomenal
       story) was very attached to emotional memories. But now when the
       question arises: Suffer or delete all?,  the answer is already
       there: Delete!
       It's relieving to lose myself to get back home to the unleavable
       ocean. It's all a matter of fantastical identification. What is
       lost when I (as this human being) is dead. The movie is over.
       Next one. Further!
       #Post#: 35733--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Talks #1 have started thinking
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: September 9, 2018, 12:57 am
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       The events where deleted the moment they occurred. It's the mind
       that keeps all the b.s. alive. I suggest letting go, but that is
       just noise. It is all already gone.
       Love ya, Jed.
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