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When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
By: guest1170 Date: November 27, 2017, 4:34 pm
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... It looks like you're limiting T/R to the cells of this puny
primate body - This bothers me.
So, anyways, I used to post here(I had my own thread) but I
deleted everything I posted, with your posts included. Sorry for
deleting all that content that could've been helpful for other
people and sorry for wasting your time - By sending everything
you wrote into nothingness.
Anyways, I'm back here because I just COULDN'T find any
religion/cult/whatever that wasn't full of bullshit. They were
full of things like karma, sin, saints, etc...
I've been reading the blog of a disciple of a supposed
enlightened chinese man. This guy said his master had
superpowers and that the only way to reach enlightenment was to
mantain yourself celibate and to mantian yourself in samadhi for
100 days, this way you could use your sexual energy to feed a
spiritual fetus living inside you - Without that spiritual fetus
you couldn't get enlightened, you couldn't realize the Tao.
Shame I believed that for even a second!
He also said people like you("advaitas") only display a minor
level of enlightenment(arhat) and don't have full buddhahood.
That guy was honest and altruistic and fully believed on what he
taught(I think)
I also talked with other disciple from that guy. He left
everything in life to become a celibate monk that focuses only
on enlightenemnet. He has attainment of the 8 jhanas and looks
like he's an stream enterer too... He keeps saying that a human
birth is extremely rare and that we should focus our entire time
on enlightenment otherwise we can be born into hellish realms in
the future. Anyways, he is too very altruistic about his beliefs
and fully believes in what he says, and yet, how can he be so
delluded? Well, maybe he isn't deluded and what you consider
enlightenment is just a minor thing on their superior path of
buddhahood like they say s/
I've also re-read parts of Yogi's autobiography by Yogananda and
what a load of crap! The book was full of talk about sainthood
and sin.... In the book Yogananda's master even materialized
himself after death and talked to yogananda saying that now he
is living on an astral plane and that everyone that's living
there has to behave in the right manner otherwise they feel
intense pain. Anyways, the thing is, Yogananda was a sincere guy
and probrably didn't lie about his master materializing after
death so, how can we explain this? Was it Maya petrending to be
his master? Did Yogananda allucinate?
The fact that a dead person talked with Yoganada confirming his
beliefs to be true creates inside me the illusion of autority
for everything he says - thus making everything he says true cuz
after all he knows what happens after death...
I know that he was deluded and yet my mind can't accept he was
deluded because he talked with a dead person and that person
said he was right(it was implied)
Whenever I see a spiritual master talking about celibacy,
bramacharya, sainthood, morality, sin... I think to myself: What
does it matter if you're a saint or sinner? It's not like I'm a
sex addict that is clinging to the habit(in fact I'm still a
virgin) it's just that the obsession those so called saints have
with sex is just so great....
Who knows why the fucking hell celibacy and morality is the
central point in almost all religions...
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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
By: Jed McKenna Date: November 27, 2017, 11:27 pm
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Thanks for sharing. You only asked on question that I might
answer, that last sentence. It's pretty apparent to me that this
is the best way to control people. Make them feel guilty and
then provide relief. And control is all religions want, nothing
more. From there they can have their way with everybody.
Religion is a cancer on society, but it does much good in that
it provides us with something to waken from. Now, the question
is what are you going to waken to.
Oh, and yes, I completely agree with your observations. When
this world and the universe disappears you will have T/R, and
you will realize that nothing ever mattered, including
enlightenment.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
By: guest1170 Date: November 28, 2017, 11:01 am
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In Jainism it's said that there are 4 types of karma that binds
the jiva(consciousness) in the state of ignorance. Only by
allowing all the latent karma to manifest and present karma to
work itself out, can you climb the gunasthanas(levels of virtue)
that are like a ladder to moksha. Usually I would just disregard
all of this as Indian bullshit, but there are some
advaita/nondual/whatever sources that say that only throught the
dissolution of karma can you become free. What do you think of
this? Does karma even exist? In Jaininsm there are even books
that teach you karma mathematics that can help you calculate the
number of karma "particles" you get by doing certain things....
Even Ramana talked about karma:
"The Ordainer controls the fate of souls in accordance with
their prarabdhakarma (destiny to be worked out in this life,
resulting
from the balance sheet of actions in past lives). Whatever is
destined
not to happen will not happen, try as you may. Whatever is
destined
to happen will happen, do what you may to prevent it. This is
certain. The best course, therefore, is to remain silent."
" It is true that we are not bound. That is to say, the real
Self has no bondage. And it is true that you will eventually
return
to your Source. But meanwhile, if you commit sins, as you call
them, you have to face the consequences. You cannot escape them"
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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
By: Jed McKenna Date: November 28, 2017, 8:38 pm
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There is no such thing as sin, that's only a thought. What might
be a sin, perhaps killing someone simply because you are angry
at them, is not a sin if you are a war hero and kill an enemy.
Karma does not exist, it's just another story. Stay within he
human dream and you can create and dispel karma for a billion
years... every moment you create is and it can never be undone.
You walk outside and step on an ant and it all starts again.
Remember, a dream is always a dream and everything within it is
only dream material. If you believe in karma then you might be
able to create that experience, but trust me, it can never every
be undone because (based on karmic reasoning) everything you do
creates more karma. As you wisely point out, it is just b.s.
piled on top of more b.s.
Find out what the dream occurs within and you will laugh at the
concept of karma. The Indians who talk of if are just talking
about their deep cultural heritage. All of that is within the
dream. The infinite context in which the dream occurs is Truth
and there is no such thing as karma in truth, only a loving
allowance of all the dreams that spontaneously arise within
it... it is pregnant to overflowing with infinite possibility.
Seeking anything short of the realization of this, your True
Nature, is (in my not-very-humble opinion) a waste of your time
in this human experience.
Do as you wish but I highly suggest you don't waste your
exclusionary time in the human dream.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
By: guest1170 Date: November 29, 2017, 5:07 pm
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About life time: I know that truth never dies but, does our
consciousness cease after death?
I know Nisargadatta said we are gone after death(he used the
fact that we always lived our lives with ourselves existing, so
trying to imagine our inexistence is next to impossible to us -
But it does happen)
You also said the "I am" is gone together with the physical
body.
Honestly this is all very depressing. Usually people that don't
care about inexistence are those who are living happy lives at
the moment. In the happiest moments in my life(few) I also
thought to myself I would have no problem with dying at the
moment.
Now, though, I've been living almost as an hermit for 6 years; I
missed teenage "love"; never had romantic contact with a female;
don't have friends; etc... Recently I've been taken with
constant fear and OCD that a deadly disease can strike me and I
will never get to experience the things I want, thus dying like
a loser(not that I care about this label anyways) that wasted
his life
Having the belief of an afterlife kinda conforts me, because if
I died I could get other chance.
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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
By: Jed McKenna Date: November 30, 2017, 1:20 am
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You said:
Having the belief of an afterlife kinda conforts me, because if
I died I could get other chance.
That's pretty clear and obvious... i.e. that it's comforting.l..
but you have a ''belief'' because you don't have a ''knowing''.
I suggest you seek ''knowing''. Living a life projecting out
into an unknown point in a non-existent time, you miss all that
is, the now.
Of course you are going to die... and it may be right after
reading this response. So what? Surely you don't think that
matters in any way. Everything that has a beginning has an
ending, that's just the way it goes. However, that only applies
to the you that you think you are not the real You that you
actually are.
I suggest you just sit down and die. Go ahead, get it over with.
Rather than fretting the balance of this dream away... just sit
down and let yourself experience death. I not suggest you
physically commit suicide, but just sit down, relax, breathe,
and let yourself, i.e. all the dreams, faith, beliefs, stories,
loves, hates, b.s., etc. die. What could that hurt? None of it
is real... and that means you can make whatever you want be
real. Try it.
Don't run from it, run to it then through it.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
By: guest1170 Date: November 30, 2017, 10:37 am
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Ok. I will come back when I have applied this technique enough.
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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
By: Jed McKenna Date: November 30, 2017, 10:45 am
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I look forward to hearing from you.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
By: guest1170 Date: December 7, 2017, 2:56 am
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I didn't do that exercise too much due to my restless mind;
still, it didn't see to do much to me... Maybe the suffering
vanished a little, but it only went away to be substituted by a
feeling of dead peace. I don't want peace; I want to make my
desires come true and to gain things that will help me making
them become.
I'll try to do some autolysis now; there's so much pain inside
me that I can't even meditate(I actually used to be disciplined
enough to meditate everyday until everything fucking exploded).
I can't do anything anymore without this excruciating emotional
pain torturing me. I call this pain because I observe it comes
and goes in palpitations, just like physical pain. I'm 24/7
filled with this emotional horror. I do not have control over
it; I'm not gaining anything from it; the process has it own
life. I wonder if this is what happens to "normal" people when
they don't have a way to escape from their emotions, or if this
is a problem singular to those that are mentally unstable. Yes,
I'm aware of all the drama queening nuances on what I wrote here
- But the pain is real.
I mean, it's just so easy for some people to climb a hill and
start to meditate there and then experience spiritual extasis,
union and shit while being grateful for being alive and all the
things that come together with being a spiritual person. Those
are the same people that are always vomiting like parrots the
discourse that we create our reality; the law of attraction
crowd... Bitch, if we created our reality, no one would be poor,
sick, fat etc except for some exotical specimens. I mean, I know
that in one sense we do create our reality, but few, very few,
have something that could be called mastery over their lives;
most results that come from the law of attraction when made by
an ordinary person are subtle or take a hell of time; wanna
materialize a sack of money out of nowhere? Oh, it won't happen
because [insert bullshit talk here about vibrations and mental
state]. Why can't I be happy and deluded like them? Is it
because I'm a bad person? Am I not talented? Is it because I
don't smoke weed? Is it because I'm actually sincere with myself
and they're hypocrites?
#Post#: 33205--------------------------------------------------
Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
By: Jed McKenna Date: December 7, 2017, 5:17 am
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You said: I didn't do that exercise too much due to my restless
mind; still, it didn't see to do much to me...
Please stop wasting time. If you don't approach is seriously and
diligently then how can you expect a miracle. Don't do it much
and you won't get much of a gain... that's rather obvious... at
least to me. ??? ??? ???
Love ya, Jed.
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