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#Post#: 1752--------------------------------------------------
My Spiritual BS
By: Cannonball Date: September 26, 2014, 7:35 am
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Hey Jed,
Pretty cool you're doing this whole Q&A thing, wouldn't have
guessed when I first read Damnedest. Thanks for that.
I'll try to briefly summarize my experience/history/knowledge/bs
here:
I'm 20 years old. male.
Into 'self-development' for 2 years and spirituality/religion
for roughly 1 I think.
Last year went on a trip to 'find myself'/go on holiday and
ended up hospitalized. I had fallen into a psychosis after
reading the full 800 page Bhagavad Ghita in 3 days. Little
sleep, little food, just burning away page after page.
Looking back on my notes from back then I realized I was also
doing 'Spiritual Autolysis' without knowing about it. My
notebook has a couple pages full of confused scribbles including
things like "question everything" "nothing is 100% certain"
"measure by own experience".
Anyway the whole thing was pretty bad as it scared the **** out
of my family/friends. For me personally it wasn't that
traumatic. Just a very 'real' trip w/o the use of drugs. I
experienced heavenly and hellish things all in my head in a
short time span including delusions of being god/jesus w/e.
When I returned home I was pretty depressed for a week or two.
The 'life has no meaning' kind of depression. Slowly got out of
it as I tried to move on with my life forgetting the whole
thing.
After some time it started nagging again though as I just
couldn't believe the psychosis was caused by just 'stress' as
the doctors stated. I started reading on spirituality/religion
and all that good stuff again. Including your books.
To my relief? I found out the psychosis could actually have been
a part in my awakening process, and after having put all the
strings together it looks like a pretty logical explanation.
Right now I don't have a particular question. I just wanted to
get this out here. To be honest I don't really know where I am
on the whole T/R and H/A scale. I have moments where I
experience flow/unity or whatever more frequently lately but
mind patterns still annoy the **** outta me sometimes.
I'll note some sources/authors/guru's here that I've read/used:
Bhagavad Ghita
Alan Watts
Tao Te Ching
Osho
Ken Wilber
Jed McKenna
Carl Jung
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Currently reading Rumi, Chuang Tzu, Meister Eckhart and
Nisargadatta interchangeably.
Peace!
#Post#: 1781--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Spiritual BS
By: Jed McKenna Date: September 27, 2014, 7:55 am
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Thank you CB:
My question for your is are you learning from all your studies
or hiding? I don't care, but you might want to look at it.
Love ya, Jed.
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Re: My Spiritual BS
By: Cannonball Date: September 27, 2014, 1:57 pm
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I don't know. From what would I be hiding? I would say I'm
learning from them but it's a lot of the same bs in different
words. I mostly read now because I like to.
#Post#: 1823--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Spiritual BS
By: Jed McKenna Date: September 28, 2014, 12:59 am
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Read away, nothing wrong with that unless it is stopping you
from doing. Let's pretend for a moment that it is. Play along.
What would you be avoiding doing but reading, if you were
avoiding doing something? Be brutally honest. I may be wrong of
course, but I'll bet there is something that you are hiding
from.... hmmm.....
Love ya, Jed.
#Post#: 1861--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Spiritual BS
By: Cannonball Date: September 28, 2014, 1:03 pm
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Hmm I've been thinking about it but nothing comes to mind. I've
been feeling relatively peaceful lately aside from the couple of
retreating mind-patterns every now and then. I recently dropped
out of college and I'm soon moving out of my parents house.
So I guess this could mean 2 things; Either I am already T/R or
close to it or making the transition, or I AM hiding from
something in which case I'll soon find out what it is.
#Post#: 1867--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Spiritual BS
By: Jed McKenna Date: September 28, 2014, 1:50 pm
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Dear BSer:
I'm probably wrong about the hiding thing. I definitely approve
of your psychosis. A high percentage of people who have been
institutionalized/committed are really just waking up. Society
has no context for it to happen, at least, in the West, much
different in the East. Go nuts there and you will be worshiped
and become a famous guru. Very different.
Just keep on with what you are doing. Good luck on the move-out.
Love ya, Jed.
#Post#: 1876--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Spiritual BS
By: Cannonball Date: September 28, 2014, 2:55 pm
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Haha were you just checking if I was legit about this thing
before mentioning the psychosis? Fair enough. Everybody can say
whatever the fuck they want on the internet.
Thanks for saying that though. I'm not gonna lie, I liked
reading that even though I kinda knew it myself already. It's
pretty cruel to go through it by yourself but I guess that's
when you truly learn from it.
And yeah I read that if during a 'psychosis' the person is
treated/assisted by a guru/shaman or whatever the whole process
can be an opportunity for awakening. But that was before I read
your books and others and learned growth/evolution/awakening
sometimes is just plain ugly. It is what it is. To make an
omelette you gotta break some eggs.
Thanks again. I'll be back when there's anything worth
mentioning.
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Re: My Spiritual BS
By: Cannonball Date: October 4, 2014, 4:35 am
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Hey I just wanted to say I was secretly hoping for some mystical
apprentice-guru dialogue when I started this topic, but it seems
that was just another fantasy of mine. I can't think of anything
to ask you anymore.
I just really want to thank 'you' for the books, they helped
clearing up the last pieces of bs.
If I can be of any assistence or value in your Navigator's
Series project, don't hesitate to ask. You would probably need
more info about me but we can work that out probably.
Also just in case I'm completely delusional and I'm currently
undergoing another psychotic episode in which I only appear to
be sane, I would appreciate it if you left the thread open so
that I may once again return for your guidance. However if you
need space for new members that's fine too, a psychiatric
hospital would probably do just fine for me aswell. ;)
Peace
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Re: My Spiritual BS
By: Cannonball Date: November 7, 2014, 12:53 pm
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Hey Jed,
Just wondering.. what exactly did you mean with the 10 year
transition period? After you're done with all the seeking and
questioning is it mostly a matter of just letting go time and
time again until there's absolutely nothing to let go of any
more at any moment? That's how it seems to me right now but
figured I'd ask anyway.
Thanks :)
#Post#: 4252--------------------------------------------------
Re: My Spiritual BS
By: Jed McKenna Date: November 7, 2014, 11:41 pm
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Dear C:
Thank you for your post.
So, let's use our imagination, which is pretty much all you have
right now and use it to create everything 'out there'.
Something happens, perhaps the Great Rama Lama Ding Dong from
Tibet visits you in the burbs and 'transmits' to you absolute
total Truth/God/Awareness/Consciousness blah, blah, blah. Now,
on one hand you have an atomic bomb off cosmic consciousness
mushrooming big time, and on the other, a life time of absolute,
total, rubbish, thousands of identities, regrets, unmentionable
pleasures, stupid things you did, people you hurt, oh, maybe a
million or so, ALL of life's accumulations. Even to say that
there are millions is a ridiculous understatement.
Do you think there could be a little challenge here??? A little
glitch in the transition.
Like I have said before, T/R is a like a summer breeze, it's the
rest of you that is the problem. The pain only comes from
clinging to the grooves or ruts or your mind and no on is
without them. You have a ton of them and they are deeper than
the Mariana Trench.
If the above where not the case, you would be able to go to
Starbucks, order a latte Americano Grande with Soya milk, shaken
not stirred, with just a hint of cinnamon and relax in one of
their comfortable chairs and watch the crowd. About every five
minutes or so, someone would look up and with tears in the eyes
say something like, 'My God, I got it'. or another would just
burst out in hysterical laughter. Perhaps someone would start
madly writing a book on a napkin. 'How I became realized in
Starbucks'. Walk outside and you will see someone put a quarter
in the parking meter and their knees turn to jelly. (They just
fell in love with the universe and it only cost them twenty-five
cents.)
This may happen some day, but not while we desperately cling to
all the rubbish in our way. Why do old people hunch over and
walk like they are carrying the weight of the world on their
shoulders, BECAUSE THEY ARE, the weight of an illusory world
they have created and then tried like hell to defend and avoid
all at the same time.
All the meaning and importances that you have created are your
baggage. They are colorful and can make life fun, amusement, but
we forget two things. First, we make them up and nothing has an
intrinsic value. Second, someone has to take the garbage out
every now and then.
I'd be willing to bet that just about every member of our forum
has tried drugs or some kind (not just aspirin) and now and then
they can assist with garbage removal, they shake things up. But
Geez, don't think I'm saying take drugs.
I will quote another McKenna, Terrance, unlike me, he was a very
intelligent person, (not joking there), I will paraphrase, 'Now
I'm not saying everyone should get stoned, I'm saying everyone
should get F-ING STONED!'. (emphasis his).
I sense I am digging a hole here, so, the first thing to do
would be stop digging. :-\
Love ya, Jed.
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