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       #Post#: 23398--------------------------------------------------
       something something
   DIR By: bear
       Date: August 16, 2016, 6:10 am
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       Hey Jed!
       Thank you for being available like this.
       I want to pick away faster on the illusions than some brief
       insights here and there. I don't really understand how to do it
       more than staying and going back to being when I wander.
       Thoughts come and go... but some stay around..
       Where is the emotional stuff... did I just bury it deep enough?
       Do I have to confront situations with other people which for me
       is emotional.. going through the fears... is that the process?
       Or can I do it by myself only?
       #Post#: 23400--------------------------------------------------
       Re: where's that icepick?
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: August 16, 2016, 9:54 am
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       Hi Bear:
       Everything you do is by yourself... there are no others out
       there, other than an appearance in the dream.
       There are feelings and emotions. You feel something physically
       and your emotions are just stories. Watch that distinction, it
       is quite practical and useful. If something is really bothering
       you about someone they may be genuinely toxic. You can always
       leave... whether you think you can or not... and sometimes it's
       the best thing you can do.
       Love ya, Jed
       #Post#: 32214--------------------------------------------------
       Re: where's that icepick?
   DIR By: bear
       Date: October 12, 2017, 10:50 am
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       moved from lurkers rant topic:
       --- Quote from: bear link ---
       >
       > I too have a hard time to see where contemplating the chair
       will get me... I am wondering if I am too smart or too dumb to
       do this. For me it is just words... I mean we see a form and
       call it a chair. It is made up. And then what? Is there
       something I am missing? Help me out!  :D Is there some basic
       steps to take to somehow eliminate the chair? The chair is or
       the belief that there is or is not a chair is not personal to me
       so maybe I should take another route?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote from: Jed McKenna link ---
       >
       > If you can really get that a ''chair'' is a just a work
       denoting a concepts... things may rattle loose for you. What
       else is just a word referring to a concept?
       >
       > Could it be that in the beginning was the word, and it all
       went downhill when we started thinking the word was real, was
       the thing it referred to? And, that does that word refer to,
       just an experience... which is usually wrapped in more words.
       What if you had a moment of no-words.... just experiences?
       >
       > Fun and games.
       >
       > Love ya, Jed.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I've been close to rattle things loose a couple of times but
       then the fear kicks in and I try to grab hold of any ideas that
       i can... so there is a hold.. :/ I just don't know what or
       how... what usually pops up in fear is thoughts of my life
       wasted, guilt and sorrow towards family and friends. Stuff like
       that. ... Is it possible to dissect stuff like this in this
       state I am right now; sane and rational (more or less)... :) my
       torch is not lit.... How is your elevated view? :)
       #Post#: 32215--------------------------------------------------
       Re: where's that icepick?
   DIR By: bear
       Date: October 12, 2017, 10:52 am
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       ...hmm... I don't wanna waste your time... I think I reached the
       edge/end of concepts... Infinity some years back. I got scared
       and grabbed on hard and turned back because it was infinitely
       more than my mind could handle... But I could not really turn
       back... it's there like a lump in my throat/head, i'm unable to
       release. Maybe my thinking now is only focused on distracting
       myself from this... I need help. :S
       #Post#: 32231--------------------------------------------------
       Re: where's that icepick?
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: October 13, 2017, 4:00 am
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       Not sure I can help you... what specifically do you want from
       me?
       Love ya, Jed.
       #Post#: 32249--------------------------------------------------
       Re: where's that icepick?
   DIR By: bear
       Date: October 13, 2017, 6:59 pm
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       I'm not sure either.... questions (and my previous posts) seem
       to make themselves rapidly irrelevant under scrutiny, but I felt
       I had to break the lurkiness when you called for it.
       I can't come up with a single thing to ask you.
       My day was pretty good. I watched the new Blade Runner. It was
       good.
       It seems I am learning something from trying to write here. The
       non-importance of it all. Cool.
       I'll try some more tomorrow. Thx. Good night.
       #Post#: 32253--------------------------------------------------
       Re: something something
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: October 14, 2017, 12:37 am
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       Cheers Bear...
       Love ya, Jed.
       Glad to hear you have no questions.
       #Post#: 32454--------------------------------------------------
       Re: something something
   DIR By: bear
       Date: October 23, 2017, 8:34 am
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       In lack of someone hitting me with a stick, I'd appreciate some
       directions now and then... so if ya wanna help what do you need
       from me to keep it simple and concise?
       I tried to come up with some good questions in this message but
       I wander from the subject and it feels like silly emotional
       excuses to just keep blabbing about unimportant shit... yeah
       this is the process of S/A I guess... so I just keep on trying
       to come up with questions for you if you don't have a better
       plan.... :D
       I'm sorry but I need to ask... what's your experience of
       telepathy as mentioned in your book? :D
       #Post#: 32458--------------------------------------------------
       Re: something something
   DIR By: Jed McKenna
       Date: October 23, 2017, 12:39 pm
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       I have no idea.... I can make up any story I like, but unless it
       is Truth, it's always a story.
       Just suck it up.
       Love ya, Jed.
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