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       First Day of School
       By: Jack Date: November 5, 2018, 6:01 am
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       There is nothing worse than the first day of school after a time
       change.
       I just noticed we'd missed the clock on the stove when we did
       the clocks which needed to be manually changed (not many of them
       anymore) and nearly had a panic attack, thinking I was running
       that late.
       I did sleep long and well, but at least I have a few minutes to
       check in here, before I need to shower and wake the kids.
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       Re: First Day of School
       By: db105 Date: November 5, 2018, 8:23 am
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       ;D I think most of us can identify with that sensation when we
       go through a time change.
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       Re: First Day of School
       By: David M. Katz Date: November 5, 2018, 9:34 am
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       It is no secret to the long-termers here:  I hate standard time.
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       Re: First Day of School
       By: Zyngaru Date: November 5, 2018, 11:06 am
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       [quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=934.msg9811#msg9811
       date=1541432071]
       It is no secret to the long-termers here:  I hate standard time.
       [/quote]
       I'm just the opposite.  I hate Daylight savings time.
       Indiana for a short period of time, came to their senses and
       changed the law, so we didn't change our time, but then we
       changed people in the state legislature and one of the first
       things they did was put us back on the time changing schedule
       again.
       We just had three children killed and one in the hospital when a
       pickup truck disregarded the school bus with it's lights all
       blinking and ran over the kids.  It happened at 7:15 am daylight
       savings time.  Total darkness outside.  Now at 7:15 regular time
       it is daylight.  Now did the time zone have a part to play in
       the deaths?  Who knows?  Obviously the driver of the pick up
       truck wasn't paying any attention to their driving because how
       can you miss, multiple yellow lights flashing, and multiple red
       lights flashing and a very bright white strobe light blinking.
       They would even glare more in the darkness.
       But with all that light blinking, maybe the driver thought the
       kids were already across the street or on the bus and didn't see
       them in the middle of her lane trying to get to the bus.
       I just wish the government would leave the time alone.  You
       don't save anything.  Time is time.  You cannot save it.  The
       more you try the faster it slips away.  The same with daylight.
       You can't save daylight.  It is there and then it is gone.  The
       closest we have come to saving daylight is solar panels.
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       One of my buttons.  Leave time alone!
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       Re: First Day of School
       By: Jack Date: November 5, 2018, 4:27 pm
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       Zyngaru, the purpose of daylights savings time is to save
       energy.  To put it simply, more people are awake at 8pm than at
       5am.
       My biggest problem is that George W Bush - a president never
       known for his intellect - simply assumed that more was better,
       so he pushed us to add three more weeks.  Last week, even here
       in Texas, it was dark past the time the kids were at school, so
       I hate to think what it was like in someplace like Maine.
       It's funny that we stick with it, despite all the complaints,
       when we could take care of most of the problem simply by moving
       away from fossil fuels, and using renewable energy.
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       Re: First Day of School
       By: squarecutter Date: November 6, 2018, 1:43 pm
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       We switched back to GMT from BST on the last weekend in October
       as usual. Effect is by midwinter is dark for kids  at both ends
       of the school day in the UK. We dont have so much bussing in
       England just a lot more kids being ferried by car. Just lately a
       lot of roads in built up areas and particularly round schools
       now have 20mph limits. Got to ask if roads round school bus pick
       up areas shouldnt have lower limits as a matter of course.
       However Im surprised that the car behind was able to slow up and
       this young lady apparently didnt see it. Does this arm have the
       legal force of a stop sign or a traffic light. Whatever. it is a
       real tragedy and I agree with those saying a road with a 55
       limit  is far too fast for adults, never mind small children to
       be considered safe for crossing
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       Re: First Day of School
       By: Zyngaru Date: November 6, 2018, 2:42 pm
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       [quote author=squarecutter link=topic=934.msg9827#msg9827
       date=1541533421]
       Does this arm have the legal force of a stop sign or a traffic
       light. Whatever. it is a real tragedy and I agree with those
       saying a road with a 55 limit  is far too fast for adults, never
       mind small children to be considered safe for crossing
       [/quote]
       Yes.  The bus arm with the stop sign and flashing red lights on
       it, has the full legal force of a "STOP" sign. (Here in Indiana)
       I assume it does in every state of the Union.
       As for the speed limit on the highway that the bus makes stops
       on?
       That school district immediately moved the bus stops off the
       fast moving highway onto side streets.
       They are also considering changing their school hours, to start
       school 30 minutes to an hour later.  That may or may not happen,
       because as someone stated, by mid-winter, it is dark at both
       ends of the school day.  The school day is already an hour
       shorter than when I went to school and I went both to and from
       school in the dark during the winter.
       We have some major driving problems in my state.
       1- People roll through or just drive on through stop signs, they
       rarely stop for them.
       2- People do not use turn signs.
       3- People speed as a rule not an exception.
       4- People text and drive.
       All of those are traffic violation.
       I have also personally seen people doing these while driving.
       1- Talking on phone.
       2- Watching a DVD.
       3- Reading a newspaper.
       4- On their computer.
       I personally saw one man who had a phone in one ear, a newspaper
       spread out across his steering wheel and his laptop open and
       being used on the seat next to him.  He was doing all three,
       while driving down the interstate at 75 miles an hour.
       It will probably come out that the driver of the pickup truck
       that struck these four children, was running late for work, was
       either texting or on her phone, finishing her personal grooming
       and maybe even eating breakfast at the time of the accident.  We
       know she didn't see the school bus with all of it's yellow and
       red lights flashing and the very bright white strobe light
       flashing on his bus roof.  We know she didn't hear the bus
       blowing it's horn or the driver behind her blowing her horn.  We
       know she didn't see the children in front of her until after she
       hit them.
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