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#Post#: 9029--------------------------------------------------
Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Jack Date: September 24, 2018, 12:45 pm
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I don't remember seeing a boy - even an 'adult boy' - make it
through that many swats with dry eyes. However, school
paddlings are easier to take, especially when you know the
number ahead of time, and most of the boys I can think of right
off hand might yelp and have damp eyes, but they don't actually
break down and cry.
#Post#: 9856--------------------------------------------------
Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Jack Date: November 7, 2018, 4:29 pm
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While having a second, male principal has really cut down on the
amount of action I've been getting this fall, I have had a
couple of good days in a row.
Yesterday, two third grade boys (one 8, the other 9) had been
caught out of bounds on the playground. Since they were caught
by the teacher on playground duty, and not their regular
teacher, they were sent to the office. Mr. P and Mr. Saunders
were both busy, so I was asked to handle them before I left.
It wasn't horrible, compared to what's available to use, but
each of them received two firm swats on their trousers. The
older boy was actually a bit shorter. I had them climb in a
desk chair, and lean forward onto the table with their elbows,
which stretched the seat of their trousers snug across their
bottoms. I did leave one out in the hall while I paddled the
other one. I let the younger boy go first. He yelped pretty
hard, and his eyes were watery when he got up (slowly and a bit
stiffly), but he managed to take it pretty well. The older boy
cried - not hard or real loud, but it was definitely real crying
with flowing tears and a bit of sobbing. The younger boy's
pants were a bit loose on him, but the older boys were snug, and
you could definitely tell he was wearing briefs.
Today, we had a pep rally for the last middle school football
game of the season. I didn't go - I didn't have to supervise
any loose kids, so I was able to grade some papers, and even
messed around on my phone a bit before time to leave. As I was
about to go to the office, I caught a kid out of bounds (if they
don't go to the pep rally, they have to report to certain
classrooms for supervision. I took him back into my classroom
and ran his ID. He's been in trouble for out of bounds type
behavior several times - once this year, and in previous years -
so I took him to the office. He was an 8th grade student, but
nearly as tall as me. Mr. C agreed I could handle it, instead
of making the student wait, so we went into Mr. P's office, I
had the boy drop his trousers (heather green Fruit of the Loom
boxer briefs, and he was obviously pretty well hung), and I gave
him four swats with the middle paddle, which is about a 15"
(across the middle) oval made of maple. He managed to take them
quietly, but he was moving very stiffly and sorely while he
stood up and fastened his pants.
#Post#: 9862--------------------------------------------------
Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Zyngaru Date: November 7, 2018, 7:00 pm
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Thanks Jack for the updates.
I am a little surprised that "out of bounds" is a paddling
offense. But then, I don't know what other punishment would be
affective/effective in that situation.
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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Jack Date: November 8, 2018, 2:05 am
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[quote author=Zyngaru link=topic=790.msg9862#msg9862
date=1541638846]
I am a little surprised that "out of bounds" is a paddling
offense. But then, I don't know what other punishment would be
affective/effective in that situation.
[/quote]
It could be argued that keeping a kid in from recess would be
more 'appropriate'. BCA has an institutional belief that recess
(time outside and free time both) is very important to kids, and
even the high school kids have a bit of unsupervised time where
they can be outside if the weather permits. Because of that,
keeping kids in at recess almost never occurs, because it's seen
as counter-productive.
On the other hand, as I think I said, it's not really a paddling
offense for a first time. One of the problems for kids at BCA
is that today's technology, is that it's possible for teachers
to share and remember something like a warning, by issuing it
and looking it up on computer, easily accessed by a student ID.
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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Zyngaru Date: November 8, 2018, 8:31 am
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=790.msg9872#msg9872
date=1541664316]
BCA has an institutional belief that recess (time outside and
free time both) is very important to kids, and even the high
school kids have a bit of unsupervised time where they can be
outside if the weather permits. Because of that, keeping kids
in at recess almost never occurs, because it's seen as
counter-productive.
[/quote]
I am in this camp. Kids need to be able to burn off pent up
energy. Sitting at a desk for 8 hours straight can wait for
when they are adults and have an office job.
I can remember as a kid this idea was so important that even on
rainy days we played active games either in the classroom or in
the gym/auditorium.
#Post#: 10025--------------------------------------------------
Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Jack Date: November 16, 2018, 4:40 pm
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Had a great day today.
Nick W., one of my fourth period students, which is my
challenged middle school class, was late again today. Three
times is supposed to call for swats, but this was actually his
sixth time. I know he's ADHD, so I try to give them a bit extra
leeway. Plus, after a warning and two that were officially
noticed, he did improve for a while, so I basically allowed him
a reset, but this time it was three in a pretty small period of
time, so I put an end to it today.
We had tests today (Thanksgiving break is all next week), so I
waited until he was finished with his test, then told him we'd
take care of it after class, since he has lunch then. The
paddling was nothing special, but it was still fun because Nick
is just a nice kid - he's lean, but not athletic, he does have a
pretty round backside, his hair is a kind of dirty blond, and it
seems like it's always on the verge of being too long for dress
code. He also acts pretty goofy.
It was only two swats on his trousers, and he took it pretty
well. He yelped, and he was obviously pretty sore, but he knew
it was nothing personal, and he didn't take it that way.
As I was in the office and checking out, the receptionist was
glad to see me. There were two brothers - Grant and Greg, I
believe - and their dad. Grant is a sixth grader (not one of my
students) and Greg is fifth. Greg is still 10, and Grant is
already 12.
The boys had been tardy this morning, and apparently not the
first time. They were sent to the office for tardy passes, and
were asked for an excuse. They explained their dad had had
trouble getting the car started, which is basically excused.
What they didn't know is that it was checked with their father,
who had no idea what kind of car trouble he'd had. That meant
their original trouble was magnified.
Dad was there on his lunch break, but Mr. Saunders was off
campus, and Mr. P was meeting with the family of a potential new
student. I was asked to deal with the dad, especially since
Grant was still in class, and Dad had to get back to work.
I reminded all three of them that the normal penalty for a tardy
was two on trousers, though it seemed to be a problem for Grant,
which would probably mean four, since it's a recurring issue.
It was the lie that made things a bigger problem, and I wasn't
sure how to deal with that. Before I could make some
suggestions, Dad made one of his own. I told him we could do
that in the conference room, and I could mark the issue 'handled
by parent.'
In the conference room, with the right forms, I stood Grant with
his nose to the wall, where I could watch everyone. In the
meantime, Dad had Greg drop his pants and boxer briefs, took the
boy over his lap, and gave a pretty darned thorough hand
spanking. You could kind of tell Greg tried to 'be brave', but
he was kicking and squirming and crying pretty hard before Dad
finished. Can't say as I blame him, since his upper legs were
rosy, and his butt and sit spots were a very definite, solid
red.
Grant was called over to his dad and undressed, while I watched
Greg try to fix his clothes, while facing me (away from his
brother and Dad) and trying to dry his face, blow his nose, and
rub his butt. Suffice it to say, I got a very thorough look at
the boy, front and back.
The two boys are about 15 months apart, and Grant just turned
12. He's about 5'1" (maybe three inches taller than Greg), and
it looked like he'd just started puberty (still a little boy's
penis, but his scrotum was starting to dangle a bit). He didn't
manage to take his spanking any better than his little brother
had, but I think Dad paid more attention to his legs than he had
Greg's. Of course, Grant had the same trouble trying to dress
as his little brother had, and I was sitting there, filling out
the forms and a return to class pass for Grant, while he did
his dance.
Dad had a bit more to say. He wasn't happy with being used as
an excuse, and he wasn't happy at having to leave work. It
sounds like the boys are going to be facing at least more
discussion when he gets home tonight, and there might be more if
they don't mind their manners.
#Post#: 10027--------------------------------------------------
Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: db105 Date: November 16, 2018, 5:51 pm
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Poor boys! They were completely busted. Looks like they had
enough, though, hopefully the extra discussion will be painless.
#Post#: 10123--------------------------------------------------
Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: squarecutter Date: November 21, 2018, 6:49 pm
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Following from your answer to Jacksons question. Especially with
adolescents how do you deal with 2 or more kids the same age
getting in trouble together whos growth rates mean one might be
very well advanced and another still more a small boy physically
How do you approach choosing a paddle in that situation. Have
you used different paddles in that situation
#Post#: 10127--------------------------------------------------
Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Jack Date: November 21, 2018, 10:58 pm
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There are a couple of different approaches to that.
1) I think I can vary the force of my swats enough to allow for
that, though some consideration in the amount of size difference
is to be considered (and can actually be allowed for, if the
difference is too extreme).
2) BCA doesn't have a policy on paddling more than one boy who's
in trouble for the same offense, so I can always leave one in
the hall while I paddle the other, and just change paddles -
they look enough alike I doubt two boys making a later
comparison would be able to tell.
On a personal level, I have no problem explaining why the
difference. On the other hand, since I'm more likely to give a
longer spanking, than a few swats, the difference could probably
be disguised without notice.
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