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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Jack Date: September 15, 2018, 5:08 pm
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Yes, as I implied, it was written up on the old forum and seems
to have been lost when that was closed.
For the record, he and several other boys attempted to break
into BCA, intending to 'decorate' one rather unliked teachers
room with a ton of fake (and one real) spider. Did I mention
this teacher had arachnaphobia.
Besides a rather harsh paddling, the boys were put on community
service, and they nearly missed the senior banquet because of
it.
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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Jack Date: September 15, 2018, 5:19 pm
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This post is a repeat of a BOTD Extra posted on 20 May 2017,
when John and some of his friends pulled a senior prank at BCA.
It's 12:30 AM - about 90 minutes or two hours past your regular
bedtime. As a matter of fact, you actually were in bed when your
phone started ringing. You managed to flail around enough to
find it before it went to voice mail, and whatever came out of
your mouth convinced the person on the other end that you were,
contrary to how you felt, an intelligent human being.
"Is this (you)?"
"Yeah."
"This is Officer Johnson with Private Security Patrols. We
provide security for Bransom Christian Academy."
'(Expletive deleted)', you think to yourself.
"Are you the father of John Diego?"
You consider the denying the 19-year old you adopted a few years
ago, who is now a senior at that school, but figure they
probably have his idea anyway.
"Yes, I am," you finally, rather reluctantly reveal.
"He was apprehended trying to break into the school. The
principal is on his way here, but he's said that we can release
John to you, if you'll come pick him up."
You suggest that, since he's actually 19 and was able to get
there on his own, maybe he could come home on his own.
"No, sir. As a student here, I have to release him to a parent
or guardian, or turn him over to the police."
"Give me time to get dressed. Maybe twenty minutes."
You're out the door in five when your phone rings. It's one of
your oldest friends - Tina. She just received a call almost
identical to yours. Tina is a single parent, and you are
actually a guardian for her son, when she's not available.
Security already said they could release her son to you, if
you're willing to get him and just take him home with you.
"Treat him like one of yours," she informs you. "I'm too pissed
off to deal with him."
'Yeah', you think. 'Like I'm ecstatic about all this.'
Still, you agree to get the boy.
When you arrive, you don't see John's car, but you do see lined
up near the officer, being lectured by the principal of the
school...
(picture omitted)
Next to the principal, you see Will's Dad. As you pull up and
park, you notice another car pulling in behind you - Perry's
Dad. The principal breaks away from what sounds like a really
inspired tongue lashing of the boys to talk to you. The boys
were caught trying to enter a class room through a window. The
window was to the room of a rather unpopular teacher. With them,
they had a box of fake spiders of various types (Halloween
decoration, pictures, rubber ones). For the record, said
unpopular teacher is rather well known as an arachnophobe.
The principal releases the boys to you, but says standard
punishment for something like this would be a suspension He'll
have to talk to one of the trustees of the school before he can
say anything definite. In the meantime, the boys aren't allowed
in school in the morning, and he suggests you all bring them to
school at 11am, which will give him time to get with the trustee
and update you on the situation.
As he leaves you to the boys, the other fathers ask what you're
going to do. You're not sure yet, but your standard response for
a situation involving illegal activity would be a switch.
What do you do and when do you do it?
That was the original post. Then I added this commentary later.
I'm not going to give anything yet (and am arguing with myself
about to write this up as a full story or just do the quick
response thing a BOTD normally gets. I will, however, answer a
few questions and respond to a few comments.
Adric wrote: the rather severe CP group discipline party
previously carried out at BCA (A Gambling Problem) for the
seemingly more minor crime of pitching quarters,
That paddling was far from easy, but I don't consider it severe.
Certainly none of the boys were crying harder than they would
have been from one of my spankings. Part of that was probably
because their friends were around, and I'm sure their butts were
sore and burning, but I would hardly call it severe, unless you
consider all discipline around here to be worse than severe.
Remember the force of the swats counts for a lot.
And remember, the paddling was for deliberately violating a
rule, at a Christian school, that was there to respect people's
religious believes. I've known kids paddled much harder at
public schools for less reason.
Journey wrote:I agree with AFinch (Kier?) about the
switching (or perhaps seclusion, whichever).
Yes, Kier and AFinch are the same person. My fault, because we
used to have a very active member named Kean, which I thought
might be too close.
Journey wrote:I'm no expert but I don't know if this was a
testing thing though. It sounds to me like it's just a poorly
plotted senior prank as a last hurrah before graduation. (I say
"poorly plotted" because they didn't even take the security guys
into consideration?? Rookie mistake. Very Happy Very Happy
Very Happy
I don't know if it was testing or not, and I don't know how long
they had it planned, but I will give you that they don't have
security there during the day. I guess they should have thought
about them having it at night, but I hadn't.
Journey wrote:I'm slightly worried for Perry, who's one of
my favorite non-Jack kids. His dad could not have been at all
happy.
None of us were at all happy, but Chris loves Perry very much.
He may be more strict that I am, but he really does try to be
fair.
Journey wrote:On a side note, how did John manage to slip
past the alarm against sneaking out that you've mentioned
before? Are these teenagers wising up to Dad's tricks or does
that alarm no longer exist? (If my memory is faulty and if that
alarm is in fact only a figment of my imagination, then I
apologize!)
Noah had the Three Musketeers in the game room last night, so
the alarm hadn't been set.
and
David M. Katz wrote:Question: school year is near the end.
How would a suspension work and would it impact final exams?
As a private school, BCA probably has more leeway in homework
(I've always considered the idea of not giving credit for work
done and turned in to be stupid, since it's the exact opposite
of what a school is supposed to do, just for the record). Finals
are next week at BCA (Tu-Th/W-Fri at BHS), so the classes are
torn between finishing up for the year and already starting to
review (remember, Monday is Memorial Day in the U.S., and
there's no school). That means that, if the boys were suspended
three days, and they missed a major test or weren't able to turn
in a major assignment, it could have a significant effect on
their final grades.
I'm still processing my feelings on all this, and I'm honestly
still pretty tired after having to deal with it. However, it's
been 24-hours or so since I posted this, so I am going to make a
couple of announcements.
1) The boys received a one-day suspension, which included the
half they'd already missed awaiting the meeting. They are being
allowed to turn in any homework they missed. It has to be in by
Friday, and failing to turn any of it in will result in
a(nother) visit to Mr. P.
2) 20 hours of community service, which has to be completed
before Thursday evening next week (1 June) or they won't be
allowed to walk the stage.
3) Corporal Punishment.
Another question:
The school's response is to cover the 'on campus after hours',
which is forbidden by school rules (except the playground area),
and the attempted Breaking and Entering (or illegal entry, if
you believe they hadn't planned to break). That still leaves
violation of curfew and the nature of the prank itself. Will you
allow those (and any other issues you feel might have been
involved) to be handled as part of the school's punishment, or
will you deal with them separately?
And finally, I posted what really happened...
Adric wrote:If I understood Jack correctly, the actual
violation for which they were punished was something like
"unauthorized presence on school property during non-school
hours." There was also the reported "attempt to break in with
intent to enter" but no actual break-in since the attempt was
unsuccessful.
Just for the record, in Texas, just the attempt to enter a
building like this could still be considered a Class A
misdemeanor, carrying up to a year in jail.
I recently posted a thread related to this called BOTDs,
Stories, and Updates, asking for input about how I handle these
situations (posting the BOTD Extras, then writing stories based
on them). Many people seem to prefer the additional detail to be
found in full stories, but they don't like having to wait a week
or two for the story to appear. Therefore, while I do intend to
write this up as a full story, I thought I'd share a bit of the
fall out of this situation.
When I posted this Tuesday early morning, we were back from
school, and I'd made sure John and Gordy were settled in, and
then had tried to go back to sleep. I wasn't able to, so I
posted this, then took a hot shower, and was finally able to get
a nap.
About the time everyone (except John and Gordy) were leaving for
school, I had a phone call from Chris Tidwell. Before we were
through talking, he had a phone call from Scott Knight, and it
went three way. After all the school kids had departed, Chris
and Scott and Perry and Will were going to be joining us. I gave
my college boys permission to use a credit card and suggested
they go shopping for summer stuff and be gone until at least
10:45.
At this point, the plan was for a mass switching.
When everyone had arrived, there was a rather vicious tongue
lashing, focusing on what could have happened, and the fact that
a suspension could result in some of the boys losing their
college acceptance. When all three dads felt their point was
made, the boys were told to strip down, and we took them out so
I could teach everyone to pick a switch.
At that point, we did decide that, while we were expecting
suspension, if CP was an option, we should allow that, rather
than precluding it because of welted rears.
The boys spent a miserable two hours writing letters of apology,
then basically doing time out.
We were there for the meeting, and we learned the results I
mentioned early in this thread...
Jack wrote:
1) The boys received a one-day suspension, which included
the half they'd already missed awaiting the meeting. They are
being allowed to turn in any homework they missed. It has to be
in by Friday, and failing to turn any of it in will result in
a(nother) visit to Mr. P.
2) 20 hours of community service, which has to be completed
before Thursday evening next week (1 June) or they won't be
allowed to walk the stage.
3) Corporal Punishment.
The parents had a private meeting with Mr. P, then the boys were
called in. Tina did join us for the meeting.
Mr. P actually mentioned he was surprised we hadn't already
applied CP. Chris and Will both allowed that they'd thought
about whipping the boys when they first got home, but didn't
want to wake anyone. I agreed that I'd originally planned to
switch my pair, and that had changed to a mass switching, but
we'd decided to delay it in case he wanted the honor.
He thanked us for out thoughtfulness, but didn't want to deny
the boys the privilege of a mass switching, so he suggested
delaying their paddling. We accepted. The boys were NOT happy.
The worst problem is that the boys have to finish their
community service to walk at graduation, but they're also not
allowed at the Senior Banquet until it's finished. That's this
Saturday, and it's pretty much an impossible goal. They have
been doing two hours each day after school, including returning
to school Tuesday, after their suspension, and they'll be doing
eight hours on Saturday.
By the way, we did give the boys a thorough switching Tuesday
afternoon, and Chris and Scott are quick learners on that front.
What the Boys Don't Know:
In the private meeting, before the boys were called in, Mr.
P told us about his conversation with the trustee, and what he
was able to do. The trustee had started out demanding a three
day suspension and a loss of all privileges the rest of the
year. Maybe that was just a knee jerk suspension, but Mr. P was
able to talk him down a lot.
He also planned things out with us a bit.
What the boys don't know is that, if they work hard at their
community service, show real regret, and stay out of trouble,
they're going to be called into the office at noon on Saturday.
At least one of the parents (me), and probably both of the other
dads, will be there, and his paddle is going to be out. At that
point, lifting the paddle and reminding them of their sentence,
Mr. P is going to suspend the rest of their sentence, though it
will be still hanging over them the entire time they remain
students at BCA (i.e. - four more days).
db105 wrote:So they are going to be able to attend the
banquet. I'm glad, I think they were punished enough for their
bad judgment. But their intention was so childish as opposed to
criminal that I wouldn't have wished them more consequences.
Daniel, while I agree with you about their intent, one
important thing to remember is that all of them would be
automatically tried as adults, if this had gone to the courts.
I haven't done enough research to be sure of what could happen,
but I am sure that it could mess things up bad if it had
happened. I am so glad that BCA and Mr. p didn't feel that was
required, that I think them getting the full punishment would
have still been letting them off light.
And yes, they will be able to attend.
Adric wrote:I hope none of them fall into despair and give
up on the effort to complete their sentences.
Chris, Scott, and I are working hard to keep them motivated,
especially since they still need to finish it quickly, so they
can study for finals and get their diploma with their class. On
the other hand, I think it's been suggested that, if they do a
great job and finish quickly, maybe Mr. P will take it easy with
'that scary damned paddle'.
jackson1 wrote:Does Mr P mean that if they do a good job and
are stay motivated then he will announce on Saturday there will
be no corporal punishment?
'Suspending the punishment' means that they will still be liable
to suffer that punishment IF they get in further trouble.
However, since next Monday is Memorial Day, that means they have
to get through the Banquet, three days of finals, and graduation
to avoid the rest of it.
What will be suspended will be the paddling and 10 hours of
community service, which means they will be able to attend the
banquet Saturday night.
There was a second page, but it does seem to be gone. I think
that covers everything important, though.
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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Adric Date: September 16, 2018, 9:12 am
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=790.msg8748#msg8748
date=1536747889]
While I don't know if there's a specific policy, I do know
things which have been done in the past. I heard about an
incident that happened in the past (from one of the boys
involved), where two mothers were in the room (for younger
boys), but the mothers watched the boy who wasn't being paddled,
while the boy being paddled was bared and spanked. I know that,
in general, older boys are given more consideration than younger
boys, though I'm not sure how it's defined. I also know that I
have been 'deputized' by more than one mother to witness a bare
paddling for them.[/quote]
At that age, or any age, I would really hate to think that Mom
would get to watch me bared and paddled. I wouldn't want that
with Dad either, but at least he saw me naked occasionally and
spanked me bare butt and we were both guys so it wouldn't have
been such a big deal. That's one situation where a boy really,
really needs a dad.
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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: jackson Date: September 16, 2018, 9:42 am
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Thanks for the update and what all happened Jack.
When you and the dads were discussing the corporal punishment
part with Mr P were the details of that discussed?
If the paddlings had gone ahead what would have been
administered, would they have gotten 12 swats bare bottom?
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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Jack Date: September 16, 2018, 11:00 am
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I have no idea, Jackson. This has been well over 16 months, and
I just don't remember the exact details of the discussions that
might have occurred.
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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: jackson Date: September 16, 2018, 5:18 pm
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Have you ever been asked to witness or administer a paddling at
school where the culprit got 12 swats bare?
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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Jack Date: September 19, 2018, 1:50 pm
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[quote author=jackson link=topic=790.msg8892#msg8892
date=1537136296]
Have you ever been asked to witness or administer a paddling at
school where the culprit got 12 swats bare?
[/quote]
It took me a long time to answer this, because I just don't
honestly remember. A lot of times, when I'm writing a story, I
remember the broad strokes, but I have to fill in the details.
The simple fact is that I have witnessed some pretty harsh
punishment of older kids who were in serious trouble. I've even
given some very firm paddlings in that situation. I just
honestly can't say if it went all the way to twelve or not. I
think I have, but I'm just not going to swear to it.
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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: jackson Date: September 20, 2018, 2:19 pm
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I remember one you recounted after being asked to witness, I
think it was shortly before the old forum went down, concerning
a 16-year old boy who got 10 swats bare for being a repeat
offender racking up parking violations. I don't know if you
recall that one but I remember thinking it was a pretty severe
punishment and you mentioned he was sobbing by the end of his
paddling.
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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: Jack Date: September 20, 2018, 4:59 pm
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I do remember that one, and it was very harsh, but that boy had
deliberately chosen to flaunt the rules a number of times, so it
was harsh, but appropriate.
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Re: School Trouble - Fall 2018
By: jackson Date: September 23, 2018, 5:54 pm
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From your experience witnessing or administering harsher
paddlings to older students, i.e. bare and 8 or more swats,
what's the usual reaction? Do some or any manage to take their
paddling without much reaction or does crying and sobbing pretty
much always happen even with say 18-year olds?
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