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August '18 Spanking Report
By: Jack Date: August 15, 2018, 4:30 am
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The big one to report is that Jake was spanked Monday night.
It wasn't a particularly harsh spanking, but it was over another
bedtime rebellion - one in a tradition going back with his big
brothers many years.
School starts this morning. Because of our summer schedule,
it's not too hard to get the boys prepped for the school
schedule, but I spent last week double checking how much sleep
the boy really need. Jake just can't function without at least
9 hours. PJ and I discussed it, and he does sometimes drop Jake
and Ryan Tucker here to ride in with their brothers, so 6:30 is
a good, scheduled wake up time for Jake. That probably wouldn't
be a huge problem, except that Jake is more than 15 months
younger than the next youngest (Kenny), and the other boys have
a bit later bedtime than he does. The other boys do have to be
settled down by that point - no phones or games, though they can
sit up and read - so he can turn off his light and lay down in a
fairly dark room with no light in his face.
We had had some problems Sunday night, and I worked with him,
talked with him, gave him a little extra attention, and he went
to sleep. It started again Monday with 'getting ready for bed'.
I warned him we weren't going to do this every single night,
and he needed to follow the regular protocol. He was still
resistant and ended up directly disobeying me. At that point, I
asked him if he wanted to do it there or go to my office for
some privacy. At that point, he realized he'd gone over the
line, and he started apologizing, promising to go to bed, and
begging for one more chance.
I told him that he'd been warned, and I'd still given him
multiple chances, and he'd used them all up. I ended up sitting
on the side of his bed, propping my left leg across the side of
the bed, pulling him across that, then sliding his shorts down.
I only used my hand, but it was long enough to get some tears
flowing. Then I pulled him into a hug for a moment before
letting him pull his boxers back into place.
We went to the bathroom and got him cleaned up, then I tucked
him in again and he went to sleep.
For the record, getting him to bed last night was no trouble at
all.
[hr]
Marcus mentioned last night that he had to paddle a couple of
boys Monday.
We've had some heavy rains and scattered thunderstorms for about
a week now (well, since last Thursday, I think). That wasn't
too much of a problem for Marcus, since football is played in
bad weather. However, they do have to stop playing if lightning
is sighted.
Marcus was inside working with the new kids in 7th grade - the
ones in their first year of playing for the school. He was
going over his coaching style with them, trying to key them in
on what he felt the most important things for them to work on
were. He finally stopped and sent two boys to run laps around
the gym 'so the rest of us can concentrate on what (he was)
trying to talk about'. The head coach gave the okay to head
back out, so he sent most of the boys out. He let the other two
stop running and called them over to him. He let them know very
specifically that he understood the need to play around and have
fun, but that being part of a sports team required being serious
during actual practice and always paying attention to the coach.
He asked both of them if they could do that and if they still
wanted to be part of the team. They both agreed they did - even
when he told them they were about to get paddled.
The boys hadn't been in pads, so they were able to get their
licks on gym shorts, which I'm sure were very painful, and then
finish out practice with sore butts. Marcus said he noticed
they were still very red when the boys hit the showers.
[hr]
Chris tells me that Rhett and Ryder got spanked last Friday.
He's been picking them up a bit early the past week, since he's
finishing his work at school around 3pm each day. The boys have
been spending time playing with their friends around his house.
Friday afternoon, it was very overcast and threatening with
heavy storms in the area, and Chris let them go out, but told
them not to leave the block in front of their house. Twenty
minutes later, he heard thunder and went out to call them in,
and you can guess what happened next.
He stood out front about five minutes later, and a couple of
minutes after he came out, the parents of one of their friends
came out. Chris and the other parent, who'd told her 8-year old
son the exact same thing, stood there talking for a few minutes,
until the boys came back in sight.
They'd 'just' gone a couple of blocks to see if (some other kid)
could come out. There was one other boy with them who was told
he should probably get inside before it started raining. Rhett
and Ryder and the other parents boy were all escorted inside.
My little grandson (who are 7 and 9 now, btw) were escorted
straight to their bedroom, where they were bared and took turns
over Dad's lap - hand spankings for the both of them, Chris
said.
#Post#: 8057--------------------------------------------------
Re: August '18 Spanking Report
By: Zyngaru Date: August 15, 2018, 6:32 am
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They all make perfect sense.
Jake needs to get back into the routine and school schedule. It
would be difficult to go to bed before the other boys. But if
that is what he needs then that is what he needs.
Marcus of course has to keep control of the boys. The boys need
to understand that playing team sports is a disciplined
endeavor. So taking swats early in the year, might guide them
into being good teammates later on.
Rhett and Ryder. What little boys doesn't like to play in the
rain. I know I did. I can imagine the neighbor boy got spanked
as well. Part of being a little boy.
#Post#: 8062--------------------------------------------------
Re: August '18 Spanking Report
By: Jack Date: August 15, 2018, 12:58 pm
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[quote author=Zyngaru link=topic=767.msg8057#msg8057
date=1534332743]
Rhett and Ryder. What little boys doesn't like to play in the
rain. I know I did. I can imagine the neighbor boy got spanked
as well. Part of being a little boy.
[/quote]
Just to be clear on this, they weren't spanked because it was or
was not raining, but because they'd been told to stay 'on the
block' - something that both boys understand the meaning of. In
this case, they were spanked for disobeying.
#Post#: 8064--------------------------------------------------
Re: August '18 Spanking Report
By: jackson Date: August 15, 2018, 4:11 pm
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You know how many licks Marcus gave those two boys?
#Post#: 8065--------------------------------------------------
Re: August '18 Spanking Report
By: Jack Date: August 15, 2018, 4:59 pm
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[quote author=jackson link=topic=767.msg8064#msg8064
date=1534367470]
You know how many licks Marcus gave those two boys?
[/quote]
No, but considering that he'd already had them running, I'd
guess only two each, which is pretty well a minimum.
#Post#: 8066--------------------------------------------------
Re: August '18 Spanking Report
By: jackson Date: August 15, 2018, 5:24 pm
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From that other incident you posted about Marcus paddling those
two cousins for horseplay and this one it sounds like Marcus
paddles pretty soundly. Is that your impression?
#Post#: 8076--------------------------------------------------
Re: August '18 Spanking Report
By: David M. Katz Date: August 15, 2018, 10:52 pm
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Thanks for the report. I was beginning to think August was
going to be spank free.
#Post#: 8081--------------------------------------------------
Re: August '18 Spanking Report
By: Jack Date: August 16, 2018, 5:21 am
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[quote author=jackson link=topic=767.msg8066#msg8066
date=1534371865]
From that other incident you posted about Marcus paddling those
two cousins for horseplay and this one it sounds like Marcus
paddles pretty soundly. Is that your impression?
[/quote]
I definitely believe that, and while I don't see him do it
often, I can say it does look and sound like he's got a good
grasp on technique from what I have seen.
[quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=767.msg8076#msg8076
date=1534391539]
Thanks for the report. I was beginning to think August was
going to be spank free.
[/quote]
I will admit there are times each year that I do let things
slide a bit more. I know that consistency is a virtue -
especially when raising kids - but it's just harder for me to be
strict at times like Christmas or when we're ramping up to go
back to school.
The other thing to remember is that I've been spending at least
a few hours involved with school stuff almost all month, while
the kids have still been free, and I've been trying to keep up
with other things as well. It could simply be that the kids
have been getting by with less supervision and maybe getting
away with stuff they normally wouldn't.
However, I think they're trying to make up for that now.
Mass paddling yesterday after school.
Jake and Eli Marchant are in middle school this year, so we had
to find someone new to handle the back and forth to school when
the kids are on their own. It's not too far to the school, but
it does cross a fairly major road, and the road the school is on
stays fairly busy when school starts and ends. To that end,
Larry Licht (who lives across the street with his dad, my own
friend, Jay), who is a sixth grader this year, is in charge of
the group.
I use the term 'in charge' pretty loosely, but Ollie and Andy,
and Curtis and Connor, and Larry's little brother, Kevin (8), as
well as Brennan Henderson (10), all sat down with Jay and I, and
we went over the rules.
Let me pause and say that Larry is a bit of a wallflower. He
tends not to push himself forward, so his dad and I both checked
with him a couple of times to make sure he felt he'd be able to
do this. I've seen him with other kids, and he doesn't let them
run over him, but he's not aggressive either.
So, when Larry and Kevin stopped by yesterday morning to get
C&C, I thought everything was okay, as they headed off to meet
Andy and Ollie.
Yesterday afternoon, Jay called to say that Larry had been
obviously upset when they came in from school.
The group is supposed to go straight to the bike racks after
school dismisses, then head home as a group. That's it.
Larry's main job is to make sure everyone is riding/walking
safely and keep them together. Apparently everyone wanted to
play around instead of coming straight to the racks, which I
would have been mostly okay with. However, they ignored Larry
when he tried to get them together. Some other kids started
with them, and people wanted to break away on side trips when
their friends broke off. They didn't stay together.
I the boys together after hanging up with Jay, and I told them
that Larry had been upset, and I asked them their side of what
had happened (not trying to trap anyone - I made it clear I had
heard some things, but I wanted their version). Basically they
all admitted they'd 'just been playing around'. With a bit more
digging, each of them admitted that they'd ignored or disobeyed
Larry's instructions.
Brennan was not officially part of this group, so I told him
he'd have to wait for his mom, and sent him off. The other boys
had already changed out of school clothes, so it was easy enough
to slide their shorts and briefs off. I lined them up - Ollie,
Curtis, Andy, and Connor and put them over the side of the bed,
one by one. I put them over the side of the bed, and the
younger boys got four smacks each, the older boys got six. That
big spoon has a ton of sting for little bottoms and a bit of
thud to remind them for a while. All four of them were yelping
loud and crying some before they got up. Then they got dressed
again and we went across the street.
Kevin was there when I arrived, and he'd obviously been crying
himself. Everyone apologized to Larry, and they promised him,
Jay, and myself that they'd follow the rules from now on. Jay
and I made it clear that they couldn't walk or ride their bikes
to school if Larry didn't accompany them, so they needed to make
sure they did.
Even though this wasn't an especially hard spanking, I felt a
bit like I overreacted. What really decided it for me was not
so much what they did, but that this was the very first day of
school. I know they were excited to see their friends again,
and I would have been okay if they'd just been late (they were a
a bit later than I'd expected, even allowing for that, but not
horribly). My problem was that it sounds like Larry had tried
to keep them all focused, but they'd all been wandering around
doing what they wanted. If this had happened next week, after
establishing a good start, I don't think I would have reacted so
firmly. Since it was the very first day, I jut felt like we
needed to let them know that their behavior wasn't acceptable
and wouldn't be tolerated - nip it in the bud, so to speak.
When Bridgette arrived, she, Brennan, and I went to my office.
I explained the situation to her, and why I hadn't spanked him
with the rest. She asked him if he'd been with the other kids,
if he'd known the rules, and if he'd followed them. He (sadly)
admitted he had. She said I should have spanked him with the
rest, and suggested I do so now. He was unhappy, but compliant.
I let him bare himself, and bent him over the arm of the couch.
I gave him 7 swats with the jumbo spoon, which had him about
like the other kids - yelping a lot, but only crying a little.
I did notice he's not shy around his mom. He rubbed for a
moment, dressed while apologizing, and she and I both got hugs
before he went to clean up.
#Post#: 8082--------------------------------------------------
Re: August '18 Spanking Report
By: Adric Date: August 16, 2018, 7:11 am
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=767.msg8081#msg8081
date=1534414874]
I use the term 'in charge' pretty loosely, but Ollie and Andy,
and Curtis and Connor, and Larry's little brother, Kevin (8 ),
as well as Brennan Henderson (10), all sat down with Jay and I,
and we went over the rules.
Let me pause and say that Larry is a bit of a wallflower. He
tends not to push himself forward, so his dad and I both checked
with him a couple of times to make sure he felt he'd be able to
do this. I've seen him with other kids, and he doesn't let them
run over him, but he's not aggressive either.[/quote]
With Larry (11) only a year older than Brennan (10) and not
particularly assertive, it isn't hard to imagine that he had a
problem exercising his authority successfully. I suspect, now
that the consequences have been felt, that this problem won't
recur anytime soon.
#Post#: 8083--------------------------------------------------
Re: August '18 Spanking Report
By: Zyngaru Date: August 16, 2018, 7:12 am
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[quote]Even though this wasn't an especially hard spanking, I
felt a bit like I overreacted. What really decided it for me
was not so much what they did, but that this was the very first
day of school. I know they were excited to see their friends
again, and I would have been okay if they'd just been late (they
were a a bit later than I'd expected, even allowing for that,
but not horribly). My problem was that it sounds like Larry had
tried to keep them all focused, but they'd all been wandering
around doing what they wanted. If this had happened next week,
after establishing a good start, I don't think I would have
reacted so firmly. Since it was the very first day, I jut felt
like we needed to let them know that their behavior wasn't
acceptable and wouldn't be tolerated - nip it in the bud, so to
speak.[/quote]
I totally agree.
If you or Jay was there to walk them home, they would not have
made the side trips. It's the side trips that bother me the
most. Yes, the first day of school, it would be more difficult
to get them all rounded up to walk home together, because they
want to get reacquainted with their friends. But once they left
the school grounds, the need to stay together is paramount.
There is no way that Larry can chase after boys splitting off
from the group to do their own thing.
So I don't think it was an overreaction. I do think it was time
to set the rule on their bottoms, so they know for a fact that
Larry is in charge. If Larry is going to have the
responsibility for the boys safety, then he needs the authority
to coral them. Obviously he is not going to spank them. He's
not ready for that. But he needs to be backed up. You, Jay and
Bridgette backed him up. So now the boys know when Larry tells
them it is time to go home, they will group together and go
home.
Now that the boys KNOW that Larry is the boss. (There is a
consequence if I don't obey Larry.) There probably won't be
anymore problems from them in this area. (Well maybe by
Halloween, they might act out again, especially if the wearing
of costumes is allowed at school?)
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