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#Post#: 7585--------------------------------------------------
Scott Angle and Family
By: Jack Date: July 26, 2018, 2:24 pm
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When I got to work yesterday, there'd been a note left for me
the day before. I don't allow the stores to give out my phone
numbers, but they will take messages and either call me or leave
me notes. As I've said elsewhere, I spent some time with Greg,
but later, I returned the call.
"Hi, Scott. This is Jack Wells."
"Hi, Jack." Deep breath. "I don't know if you'd remember me,
but..."
"Scott Angle. Class of '97. Big Magic player. Your best friend
was Jon C. You'd read some comics - mostly Spider-man, X-Men,
and Image when before getting into Marvel."
Dead silence.
"Scott?"
"I guess you remember me."
"You were one of my favorite kids, Scott. You were like a big
brother to Steve, and --- while you were a bit old for me to
think of as one of my kids, you were like a little brother to
me."
More quiet.
"Wow. Now I feel bad for not sending a Christmas card of
something."
"Or twenty?"
Can a giggle sound guilty?
Now, I didn't hold this against Scott. I remember his parents
wanted him to stay in college, and I recall he was upset enough
with them that he spent a couple of weeks with his friend Jon
before leaving for the Air Force. I remember he came back twice
- once after completing basic, and once when he was about to be
deployed over seas.
What it really came down to was, Scott has just retired from the
Air Force after twenty years (Chief Master Sgt?). He's not only
moving back here, but will be living about a block from where
his parents live. They're both in bad health (his parents were
older than mine), which has a lot to do with why he decided to
retire after 20 years, from what he said. I didn't understand
everything he said, but he was basically calling with a request
for help. While they have a company moving their furniture,
there is a lot of boxed stuff they're handling themselves, and
Scott was hoping to get help with it.
#Post#: 7600--------------------------------------------------
Re: Scott Angle and Family
By: Jack Date: July 27, 2018, 4:37 am
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Anyway, it turned out that Scott didn't really need help moving
boxes.
The thing is, his wife was having car trouble, and was running
behind. They had a small U-hael trailer behind the SUV he was
driving, for things they were more worried about - mostly
personal stuff. He wanted to back the trailer into the driveway
and get it unloaded before the movers arrived. He didn't really
explain all that, so I showed up with nine high school and
college age football players to move what turned out to be about
60 boxes of books, comics, Collectible Cards, and a few fragile
things like wedding gift china.
We got it turned out in less than 30 minutes.
I think what really happened is that Scott's old best friend,
Jon C, lives in Dallas now and had mentioned that I still ran
the comic store. Since it seems that Scott does still read
comics and play Magic, he reached out to someone who was an old
friend --- and got more help than he bargained for.
I invited Scott and the family over for dinner last night. We
grilled kabobs so we could be up and moving around while we ate,
and we had grilled fruit kebobs for dessert.
Scott has a nice wife who's also into comics, sci-fi/fantasy and
the like. They have four kids. The oldest stayed back east,
where they'd lived for several years. She'd already been
accepted in college there, and has a job, so she's just staying
with some friends a few weeks until she can move into her dorm.
I'll introduce the younger three in a bit, but I want to
flashback and talk a bit about Scott when I first new him
(coming soon).
#Post#: 7606--------------------------------------------------
Re: Scott Angle and Family
By: Zyngaru Date: July 27, 2018, 8:48 am
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What was his reaction to you showing up with so much help? That
many strapping big boys and only a few boxes to move. ::) ::)
::)
#Post#: 7623--------------------------------------------------
Re: Scott Angle and Family
By: Jack Date: July 28, 2018, 5:37 am
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[quote author=Zyngaru link=topic=725.msg7606#msg7606
date=1532699319]
What was his reaction to you showing up with so much help? That
many strapping big boys and only a few boxes to move. ::) ::)
::)
[/quote]
He was pretty shocked, but not as shocked as he was going to be.
I wanted to back track a couple of decades, before going on with
this week. I had also thought about if I needed to make a
couple of other posts to clarify some things, but finally
decided it wasn't necessary (though we had a fun discussion of
the state of the comic industry in the early 90s in chat
yesterday).
For now, I want to make two quick statements. First, comics
went through a boom/bust cycle from 89 to 96, with things
plateauing in '93. Second, I used to keep notes on kids I saw
in the store. This was especially true pre-Magic: the
Gathering. When kids started getting into those games, my
regulars became very regulars, and I got to know a lot of them
well. Before that, most kids didn't spend as much time in the
store, so I didn't know them as well.
Sometimes I have to just re-create some facts by what I know. I
know that Scott was a freshman in high school when he first
started spending a lot of time at the store, which was the fall
just after Magic: the Gathering (MtG) had been released (because
that's the only time we left the store open on Saturday nights
to play that Collectible Card Game (CCG). Magic was released in
late spring of 1993, so we know that Scott was a freshman in the
fall of 93. Since he's now 39 (turning 40 in November) that's
confirmed.
Magicats had been open for four years when Magic first released.
I know Scott was into comics before he became a Magic player,
but I don't really remember him early on. One of the reasons
I'd considered a post on the comic industry in that time period
was to share this information. For several years, there were
major comic releases each May or June. What I consider the
first one - Legends of the Dark Knight - actually wasn't
released until October, but I think it was important because of
a) the Tim Burton Batman movie, which released in June '89, and
b) it had different colored covers. That was really important,
because it increased sales, and became a popular technique.
I do not remember Scott in the stores at that time. I don't
remember him when we had a big event to celebrate the release of
Spider-man 1. I do remember him the summer after that (1991),
when we were celebrating 'The Summer of X', which saw the
release of a new X-Men comic, X-Force 1, and the major revamping
of the other X-titles. He would have been 12 at that point. I
know he was already a customer at that point who collected
Spider-man and X-men titles. I have a couple of pictures of him
from the X-events and the Anniversary parties we did that
summer. I also know he wore tighty whities at that point. I
should also mention that this was before boys were wearing knee
length shorts (I don't think they went even halfway at that
point, though 'board shorts' were around).
A few things I should say about Scott from back then, before I
prepare to move on.
In general, let me mention that Scott was one of the prettiest
boys I've ever known - he's definitely one of the first 10 I
think of when I think of truly 'pretty' boys. Which isn't to
say that there was anything effeminate about him. He just had a
slight build, fine features, and long eyelashes. I'm sure most
people would have called him cute or even handsome, but I think
he was beautiful.
In that vein, I should say that he had dark blond (but
definitely blond, not light brown) hair, and greenish-blue eyes.
He had a fair complexion, some light freckles, and a bit of a
flush to his cheeks. He'd played soccer and baseball before
high school, and had a firm, but very lean build.
He was an only child, and his parents are older than mine.
He was spanked. While I don't remember hearing much detail
about how he got it, in the late fall of '93, or winter of
'93/'94, he was cauht stealing money out of his mom's purse. It
was one of those truly stupid/thoughtless/impulsive things from
everything I know. Magic cards were very rare back then, and
I'd gotten some in. I had a call list to notify, and I told
Scott I couldn't hold any for hm, except until that night. He
showed up at the store for Saturday night Magic and bought some.
Apparently his parents had refused to give him money for
whatever reason, so he'd taken some to buy his cards. His dad
called and asked me if he'd bought some. Ten minutes later, Dad
was at the store, Scott was escorted out, and he didn't join us
again for two weeks. The next time I saw him was with his dad,
where his dad was asking about the benefits of playing Magic
and how hard it was to really get cards. It was made very clear
at that point that Scott had received a thorough session with
the belt, and that his parents were still deciding if he should
be allowed to continue playing Magic, given that behavior.
I honestly believed Scott was gay. I didn't really have a feel
at first, but not long after we'd started our Saturday Night
Magic sessions, Scott's best friend, Jon Carver, had been
waiting for Scott to arrive. When he showed up, Jon took him
aside, not realizing I was right around the corner. What I
heard boiled down to - 'can you spend the night?', 'yes', 'great
- I'm so hor nee!' Draw the conclusions you want.
Everyone has levels of comfort with different people, and body
language will often tell you about how close two people are. I
had always known Scott and Jon were close, but I had also
learned they'd been friends with each other since first grade,
only lived a couple of blocks from each other, and went camping
together, so that's no surprise, and doesn't mean it has to be
sexual. Once I overheard that conversation, I started noticing
that Jon and Jon's little brother, Jeff, were two of the only
three boys he treated like that. As our group went on, he
obviously became mover comfortable with a lot of the other kids,
but some he became much more comfortable with than others. I'm
not going to bother going into the whole stories now, but I will
say that, while Scott was still in high school, it was
independently confirmed to me that he enjoyed oral and had been
definitely active with two other guys, and he had claimed more
than that.
The fact that he's no married with four kids suggests either he
was bi, or just really hor nee, shy around girls, and willing to
take advantage of what was available. It doesn't really matter
too much either way.
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Re: Scott Angle and Family
By: Jack Date: July 28, 2018, 2:54 pm
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I was wondering whether to delete this thread as a waste of
time, but it at least seems to be getting some reads, so I'll
continue it for now.
Two things I meant to include in the last post, but forgot (or
maybe lost track of time - I forget).
1) I never saw Scott naked.
With as much time as we spent together over more than four
years, I saw enough of him to know he's circumcised and that his
pubic hair is the same shade of blond as on his head, but that
was more from going to movies together and stuff. I never saw
him completely undressed, and I never deliberately tried to spy
on him. I think the most I ever saw of him was when he and Jon
slept over at my house one night, before they could drive, when
we'd had a big gaming night and invited them. He wore what I
consider 'sports trunks' back then.
2) I never gave Scott a discipline spanking.
Please notice that's not the same as that I never spanked Scott.
Unlike some boys, Scott never made a big deal about getting a
birthday spanking. Between turning 15 and 18, I didn't miss
spanking him. Even though he rarely wore jeans on the weekends,
he never complained that I smacked him too hard. We also
wrestled around and he would take smacks on his rear without
complaining, and I put him over my lap for a few smacks on a
semi-regular basis when he got 'too smart' (or 'Too Big For His
Britches' if you prefer). I think the hardest spanking I gave
him was was when he pretty much dared me to test Steve's novelty
paddle out on him, and I did.
[hr]
If you've put two and two together, you've realized that there
are a lot of people who work for me now, who knew Scott during
those times. Some of them were able to join us when he brought
his family over Thursday night, and more will be here tonight,
so we can do some gaming.
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Re: Scott Angle and Family
By: Zyngaru Date: July 28, 2018, 3:47 pm
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=725.msg7639#msg7639
date=1532807677]
I was wondering whether to delete this thread as a waste of
time, but it at least seems to be getting some reads, so I'll
continue it for now.
[/quote]
Jack. So you will know. I read everything that is posted. I
changed my settings so I show the newest posts at the top, so I
don't have to scroll down to find the new posts in the thread.
I also use the "Show Unread Posts since last visit" link at the
top of the page so I can go to the new posts, easier.
I don't always write a comment, but I do read everything.
I try to remember to click on one of the emoji's to show I read
the post. "Like", "Agree" "Funny" "Informative" and etc.
I don't always remember to do that but I try. Also there isn't
always an emoji that fits.
I know there are supposed to be other emojis we can use, but
something in my browser is stopping them from working and I'm
not going to risk messing something up trying to get emoji's to
work. I'm just not computer adept as I could be.
So Please don't delete posts or threads because you feel no one
is reading them. I do read them and I do look back at them as a
resource to understand something that is posted later about that
person. You have so many people in your life, I can't
understand how you keep them all straight, and I know I can't
keep them straight, so I need the older posts to figure out who
you are talking about sometimes.
It can be tedious searching for people or posts. The search
engine is a little difficult. I can't just put a name in it and
it shows me every post with that name in it. So having complete
threads about a person, makes finding info about them so much
easier.
#Post#: 7644--------------------------------------------------
Re: Scott Angle and Family
By: Jack Date: July 28, 2018, 5:01 pm
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[quote author=Zyngaru link=topic=725.msg7642#msg7642
date=1532810834]
I try to remember to click on one of the emoji's to show I read
the post. "Like", "Agree" "Funny" "Informative" and etc.
[/quote]
Yes, you and a couple of other people are very good about it,
and I do appreciate it.
While I don't expect everyone to respond, and I don't expect
anyone to respond every time, it seems like every once in a
while, I do a thread where no one responds at all - not even
after a number of updates over several days or more (this was
one, Cousin Andy was another). If there is simply no one
interested in what I'm writing about, it just sometimes seems
like I should concentrate in another area, since there is
definitely stuff I'm still not caught up on.
Thanks for letting me know that you do read everything, and you
do like having it available.
#Post#: 7645--------------------------------------------------
Re: Scott Angle and Family
By: afinch Date: July 28, 2018, 5:10 pm
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I also read everything you write. I don't always comment,
because I often don't have anything to add, but I enjoy the
reading.
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Re: Scott Angle and Family
By: db105 Date: July 29, 2018, 5:04 am
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I also read everything, but like others have said I often do not
have anything new to add. I could say something like "that's
interesting, thanks for sharing", but I feel like I'm adding
something of not much value. Most of the time when I comment
it's because I have a question. Speaking of questions, let me
ask, the "like" buttons, does that feel like real feedback to
you?
[quote author=Jack link=topic=725.msg7639#msg7639
date=1532807677]
With as much time as we spent together over more than four
years, I saw enough of him to know he's circumcised and that his
pubic hair is the same shade of blond as on his head, but that
was more from going to movies together and stuff.
[/quote]
What kind of movies were you going to, that let you know whether
he was circumcised and what color his pubic hair was? ;)
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Re: Scott Angle and Family
By: Jack Date: July 29, 2018, 8:13 am
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Yes, the like button is fine feedback. I usually love your
feedback, because questions give me a direction to go - they
help me know what I might have missed, and what people are
interested in. Of course, I know there aren't always questions
to ask, so a 'like' or 'informative' or some such lets me know
that someone is actually paying attention. The real problem
with reader numbers is that, if there's more than one post in a
thread, it's impossible for me to keep up with how many of those
were for the latest.
What kind of movies? Funny. It's what type of theater.
Right now, we have four theaters in this area, and we really
frequent two of them. Two of them are fairly new and they
feature privacy guards on the urinals. Two of them don't. Back
when Scott was a teen and hanging around with us, there were
three theaters (the same three, but one of them was heavily
renovated), and it was easy enough to get a glimpse of someone
if you were standing next to each other - even if you weren't
trying to do so.
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