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#Post#: 562--------------------------------------------------
Billy Kadlec
By: Jack Date: October 2, 2017, 4:45 am
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I have said before that Billy loves doing and learning. Over
the summer, he did pretty much all the projects I'd suggested
before the end of summer, then he came to me asking for more.
He's a very smart kid in some ways. In other ways, he can be
awkward (which is to say socially). At BCA, that's not such a
huge problem. The fact that Billy is a) cute; b) helpful; and
c) in a class above his age actually works for him, since most
of the kids I've seen him around tend to treat him like a
slightly annoying younger brother.
Since school started this year (five weeks ago now), he's been
more than slightly annoying to someone.
Like many bookish kids, Billy has apparently always been a bit
shy and stand-offish, but being over here, he's opened up a lot.
Besides just hanging around, he started Scouting, and he's
really involved with it. His mom has told me he's never had
this many friends. The problem is that between scouting, just
hanging around, and school work, he's apparently been letting
stuff at home slide. While he used to handle his chores without
being reminded, he's been letting stuff slide.
At first, his mom didn't make a big deal out of it. She'd
remind him, and he'd normally take care of it. She didn't feel
it was a big deal, until it had happened several times. Then
she sat down and had a talk with him.
I don't know how long this went on, but I know it didn't start
completely when school did. I think there were a couple of days
over the summer when he was kept home because his chores (or
something) hadn't been finished. It seems to have gotten worse,
though, and Billy has had both his hand and his rear switched
for it. That would improve his behavior, but only for a bit.
His mom had talked to me about it, because she doesn't want to
make him quit doing anything, but he needs to quit using those
as excuses, or find some way to do what he's enjoying, but
fulfill his responsibilities as well. She has mentioned making
him quit Scouts or just not allow him to come over here so
often.
He improved for maybe a couple of weeks that time, but then was
'just tired' and didn't do any chores one day, which would have
been fine, if it wasn't at the end of a chain of trouble.
She grounded him through the weekend.
For reference, this past weekend, when he was grounded, was when
we had the School Carnivals. He was not only to work the Scout
booth, but he just knew we had a ton of stuff going on, and he
had really been looking forward to it. His mom was pretty much
- you'd been warned, so this is your choice. I hate grounding
kids, but I couldn't really disagree with her.
Well, she called me Thursday. She explained the situation, and
that she wasn't comfortable giving Billy what I'd consider a
thorough spanking, but he's suggested asking me. She knows I've
spanked him before, so she asked if I was willing to do it as a
'one more last chance' type of thing.
I agreed, but details will have to wait for next time.
#Post#: 564--------------------------------------------------
Re: Billy Kadlec
By: db105 Date: October 2, 2017, 8:26 am
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While not doing his chores is a problem, I much prefer it to the
problem of his not having any friends. It's very good that he's
opening up and has a good number of friends and social
activities.
Having said that, his mom needs to deal with the problem at
hand. If he really has too many activities, making him quit some
makes sense, but I think he should be given some input. How old
is he now, anyway? Does he have any ideas about how to deal with
the problem?
Also, he has already been switched... isn't that a harsh
punishment already? If it wasn't effective, will the spanking
from Jack be effective?
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Re: Billy Kadlec
By: Adric Date: October 2, 2017, 9:09 am
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[quote author=db105 link=topic=67.msg564#msg564
date=1506950780]Also, he has already been switched... isn't that
a harsh punishment already? If it wasn't effective, will the
spanking from Jack be effective?[/quote]
I think it can be harsh or not depending on how it is done. My
first CP experience was with a switch from Mom and that went on
until I was around seven years old (when the peach tree died).
I don't remember it as being harsh, and I'm sure I would have
preferred it over Dad's hand.
I agree that he should get to decide what he might have to cut
back on to solve the problem, if that's even necessary. Having
Mom decide on something arbitrarily seems like a bad idea.
(Maybe it is his chores that should be cut back?)
[quote author=Jack link=topic=67.msg562#msg562 date=1506937515]
Well, she called me Thursday. She explained the situation, and
that she wasn't comfortable giving Billy what I'd consider a
thorough spanking, but he's suggested asking me. She knows I've
spanked him before, so she asked if I was willing to do it as a
'one more last chance' type of thing.[/quote]
So he suggested asking you? That sounds like a pretty positive
attitude, and you've done it before so he knows what he's
signing up for. Sounds better than having mother dictate what
activities he has to quit, or fooling around with a switch.
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Re: Billy Kadlec
By: db105 Date: October 2, 2017, 6:10 pm
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Anyway, we want the details :P
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Re: Billy Kadlec
By: Jack Date: October 3, 2017, 6:39 am
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[quote author=db105 link=topic=67.msg577#msg577 date=1506985803]
Anyway, we want the details :P
[/quote]
Before I get to that, allow me to make a couple of points.
First, if I thought Billy's mom was giving him too many chores
or overreacting, I would have told her so. I don't think that
Billy needs to cut any activities. His mom isn't as
strict/organized as I am, but she only has one kid. Except
doing his laundry before he runs out of clothes and making sure
the trash is out on the right days, he usually has leeway on
when he does them. It seems to me that he's over here playing,
then wants to go home and read, and his chores are just getting
neglected. Understandable and even acceptable as a one-time (or
once in a while) thing. The problem is that it's become a habit
with him since school started.
Also, his father was his prime disciplinarian, for a lot of the
same reason that his dad home schooled him. The switch she uses
is stingy, but nothing near as bad as the switchings I give, so
I think Adric's comments on that were relevant.
[hr]
Ms. K had an early day that day, so Billy had come straight
home. I went over a bit late, after getting Connor and Curtis
in bed. Billy was surprised and excited to see me, until he
realized why I must be there.
I talked to Billy for a minute, then we sat down with his mom.
I had intended to supervise, and told both of them the rules for
the discussion (Mom was going to explain why he was grounded -
if he disagreed with something she said, raise his hand and wait
for him to finish, and basically same to her - respect each
other and keep it relevant). They actually did a good job, and
Billy just thought she was over-reacting, he didn't really
disagree with her.
When we had agreed on what had happened, he and I went to his
room. I'm not sure what Billy expected, but he grew pretty
upset as I told him that I agreed with his mom, that I felt he'd
been disrespectful and immature, and that if we went on with
this, I was going to wear him out. As a matter of fact, I told
him the only reason I was agreeing to go on is that the school
carnival was a once a year thing, and there were other people
depending on him to be there, since schedules were already made.
He was on the edge of tears by the time I finished that. Either
he hadn't really understood why this was kind of a big deal
(once again, not because of the chores, but because the weeks of
doing what he wanted and ignoring the rest)... Well, I've been
told that my lectures can be as bad as my whuppings, so maybe I
should have been a little more gentle with him.
Either way, he agreed that he deserved it, and he understood
that next time he got grounded, he would have to live with it.
Since he didn't have a chair in his room, he went to get one
from the dining room. When he came back, he lifted his t-shirt
and I bared him. Since his mom uses her little switch, I'd
brought his paddle with me. We got him over my lap, and I went
to work.
I was not happy with Billy. He's a great kid, and I do love
him, and this wasn't serious misbehavior, but it was an ongoing
problem that he'd had several chances to correct., and I planned
to make sure he was sorry he hadn't.
On the other hand, Billy was already upset with himself and
embarrassed, and I knew he didn't have much experience with
corporal punishment the way I administer it, so I decided a
basic two-down pattern would suffice, though I have to admit
that a two-down with the maple paddle was going to leave him
stinging and sore for more than just a few minutes.
I was certainly right. Like any self-respecting older boy,
Billy tried to take it well, but he was already so wound up that
he was crying before I was half-finished with the first set, and
he was bawling when I'd barely started the second. As a matter
of fact, he was crying so hard, shrieking and even starting to
cough a bit, that I cut it a bit short (but don't tell anyone,
please - I'm already getting a reputation as a softy, thanks to
C&C). I held him a bit, then helped him get the basketball
shorts he'd been wearing back on, and walked him out to the
living room.
I stuck him in a corner, then slid his shorts down, so his mom
could get a look at his rear. She was afraid I'd over done it,
but she looked again before bedtime, and again the next morning,
and he was back to white (his rear was - considering how shy he
is around girls, including his mom, his face was probably as red
as his rear had been.
Billy stayed with us Friday night, so his mom could have a
'girls' night', and he wasn't mad at me at all, though he was a
bit in awe that my kids get spanked like that all the time.
Everything went fine Saturday.
His mom has asked to talk to me. She doesn't ground often, and
when she does, it tends to be short but intense. I think she
wants a way for her to make a better impression on him when he
does get in trouble, without humiliating him. I'm thinking of
recommending an oval Lexan with him over the bed, so he won't be
displaying too much. She basically seems able to take care of
him when he needs it, but he's growing and she just hasn't
adjusted yet, so maybe he's not taking the earlier corrections
as seriously as she meant them to be.
#Post#: 587--------------------------------------------------
Re: Billy Kadlec
By: squarecutter Date: October 3, 2017, 10:13 am
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Coukld Billys mom be need of a paddle or a heavier switch if
hers wasnt having enough persuasive effect or was it the way she
was prepared to use it
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Re: Billy Kadlec
By: Jack Date: October 3, 2017, 10:47 am
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[quote author=squarecutter link=topic=67.msg587#msg587
date=1507043617]
Coukld Billys mom be need of a paddle or a heavier switch if
hers wasnt having enough persuasive effect or was it the way she
was prepared to use it
[/quote]
I think you hit the nail on the head. I can't remember anything
she specifically said, but my basic feeling is that she wants
something with a bit more authority. Part of the problem is
that she doesn't want to bare him. In regards to that, I'm
going to suggest a couple of ways she can be more effective
without having him nude - since he wears briefs, either 'wedgie
spank' or something like 'over a pillow, shorts down' would
probably work best. I had considered recommending an oval lexan
for her, but honestly, I think the Red Maple would do an
adequate job, even if his rear is protected by his FoLs.
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Re: Billy Kadlec
By: kalico Date: October 3, 2017, 11:47 am
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Happy it worked out and no hard feelings ..... he might just be
sorry he started this is your giving his mom suggestions on
heavier implements... lol
Hugs kal
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