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Re: Dennis and Barbara McLeod and Family - Patrick (12), Sean (9
), and Colin (8)
By: Zyngaru Date: March 22, 2018, 7:32 pm
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WOW!
I have never seen rabbits fighting before.
How funny is that? ::)
#Post#: 4590--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dennis and Barbara McLeod and Family - Patrick (12), Sean (9
), and Colin (8)
By: kalico Date: March 22, 2018, 11:15 pm
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That’s great that they get along and everything....
Guess that answers the spanky question....
Love Fido
Hugs kal
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Re: Dennis and Barbara McLeod and Family - Patrick (12), Sean (9
), and Colin (8)
By: jackson Date: March 24, 2018, 9:38 am
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Thanks for those videos.
Did some reading up on rabbits.
They're not the cute not very bright balls of fur I thought they
were.
Apparently they're smart quite high maintenance pets that show
distinctive personalities that bond with their owners and enjoy
social interactions. There's videos of bunny owners basically
saying, I was out walking and this rabbit approached me,
followed me home, came inside and never left. They sound like
they make great pets, although as I learned from the videos
they're high maintenance, more so than dogs, and unless looked
after properly will not live out their full span of years which
can be as high as in the teens. For instance, apparently it's
important to keep their gut flora intact with the right food or
it can lead to serious health problems.
#Post#: 4626--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dennis and Barbara McLeod and Family - Patrick (12), Sean (9
), and Colin (8)
By: Jack Date: March 24, 2018, 3:21 pm
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Van has always been excellent about watching what the pets eat
(better than he watches his own diet, as a matter of fact). We
read a lot of articles before we got the lops, and he talked
with some older boys that raised rabbits. Those guys are cute
and friendly, but they're also more social with each other. Now
Fido... He's a human rabbit.
#Post#: 6149--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dennis and Barbara McLeod and Family - Patrick (12), Sean (9
), and Colin (8)
By: Jack Date: June 2, 2018, 6:50 am
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It's been a crazy week, and it's not quite over yet, but I'm
awake, have a few minutes, and the house is quiet, so I'm trying
to find things I've let slip.
This one actually isn't a major slip, since I've learned most of
this in only the last week or so (last Friday, I think, so
actually 8 days).
Patrick has had his first session with a paddle. He was not
happy!
But let me backtrack a bit.
I'm going to address this in a separate post, but Dennis and I
were talking about spanking a bit one afternoon, when his boys
were in the pool.
I mentioned above (the post with the videos) that Dennis had
asked me about the paddles in my boys' rooms. I later found out
that he's always spanked with just his hand. When he'd first
asked, he didn't really say anything about why I used them or
why he asked. On that day he and I were talking, he mentioned
that spanking doesn't seem to effect Patrick as much as it once
did, but that he doesn't like to use restrictions because of his
(Pat's) ADHD. He did tell me that he will occasional spank a
boy on his pants, but those are usually more what I'd considered
warning smacks - maybe a bit more formal. His normal spankings
are given over the underpants. It sounds like he only spanks
bare for what I'd call deliberate or repeated misbehavior or for
some safety violations. Considering how thing underpants are,
he considers bearing the boy to be as much a psychological
enhancement as anything. However, he's found himself baring Pat
more and more often, but still not getting what he considers a
solid result. Of course, a kid doesn't have to break down and
cry for you to make your point, but you can kind of tell if you
made an impression or not.
Well, a few weeks ago - end of April or first of May it sounded
like - all three boys were spanked together... well, at the same
basic time.
Quick digression - the McLeods have a four bedroom home. I
haven't visited them there, but it sounds like the same model in
which I grew up, but a bit larger/more deluxe. originally the
three boys were each going to have a bedroom, but the younger
pair have always shared a room, and they ended up sleeping
together their first few nights in the house. Now, their
bedrooms are at the end of a hall, and the doors are right
across from each other. They ended up turning one room into a
bedroom for both boys, and the other is a playroom. Their mom
loved it, since she decorated the bedroom in 'blues and greens -
nice and calm', while the playroom is 'reds and oranges and
earth tones - very upbeat and exciting'. It actually works out
pretty well. Because they're so close to the same size, they
actually share a lot of clothes, so they're just using one big
dresser right now, which gives them more room.
The point is, Pat had to wait in his bedroom, and I guess Sean
was in the playroom, while Colin was spanked in their bedroom,
then Dad moved on. Why Dennis was telling me about this is that
he was really with Pat for being a bad example for his little
brothers (no, he didn't mention what had actually happened to
bring this about). He made sure Pat was crying before he quit
but, "my hand was so sore by the time I finished all three of
them, and Pat still wasn't crying very hard - more like sobbing,
really.'
So, the two of us ended up in my office, and I showed him the
paddle drawer. I really could stand to clean it out, but I
showed him several things, explained why I had each of them, and
how and on whom I used them.
Between the Red Maple we made for Emmet last year, and using the
Tailblazers ,I haven't been using novelty paddles much. And
thus, for the last few weeks, Pat's had one of my home made and
decorated 'Heat for the Seat' paddles resting in his underwear
drawer. Apparently last week, he had a major curfew violation
and then tried to lie about it, and he had his first appointment
with Heat. Turns out it's very effective.
#Post#: 6150--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dennis and Barbara McLeod and Family - Patrick (12), Sean (9
), and Colin (8)
By: Zyngaru Date: June 2, 2018, 8:48 am
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=469.msg6149#msg6149
date=1527940249]
Between the Red Maple we made for Emmet last year, and using the
Tailblazers ,I haven't been using novelty paddles much. And
thus, for the last few weeks, Pat's had one of my home made and
decorated 'Heat for the Seat' paddles resting in his underwear
drawer. Apparently last week, he had a major curfew violation
and then tried to lie about it, and he had his first appointment
with Heat. Turns out it's very effective.
[/quote]
You would think boys would try to keep their parents as far away
from you as humanly possible. You would also think they would
hate you for clueing in their parents on the benefits of
spanking with the right implement for the right offenses. But
they don't. They love you and want to be around you. Even when
you light their buns up, they still want to be with you.
Paradoxical. :o ;D ::)
#Post#: 6164--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dennis and Barbara McLeod and Family - Patrick (12), Sean (9
), and Colin (8)
By: Jack Date: June 3, 2018, 4:15 am
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A couple of things you should remember, Zyngaru...
1) The boys don't necessarily know everything I share here. I
kind of doubt Dennis told Patrick something like, 'oh, I
complained to Mr. Wells about how bad my hand hurt after the
last time I spanked you, so he gave me this really nice paddle.'
2) I'm not going to say this is true of every boy, but for the
vast majority I've known - boys want rules and they want
boundaries. Knowing your parents will enforce those makes kids
feel safe. Of course, keeping the balance between maintaining
boundaries and giving them room to continue growing can be a
hard balance, and is probably responsible for a lot of the
problems that occur during the teen years, but I really do
believe kids know when they need and deserve some type of
correction, and they have a good idea for what's fair and right,
and, as long as they generally have a good relationship with
their parents - they are more than able to accept it, recover,
and move on.
[hr]
I ran out of steam yesterday before I could finish updating
here, and didn't have time to come back to it, so....
I mentioned above that Patrick is ADHD. It seems like he's one
of the lucky ones - he only has a light to moderate case, and he
doesn't seem to have any other associated disorders. Still,
he's one of those boys who is very advanced in some areas, but
way behind in others. It seems like, when they had him tested
(when he should have been at about 6.7 for everything) , he was
8 and 9 for science and math, but 4 and 5 for social studies and
language arts.
Since moving here, the McLeods have met a number of familes
where the parents and/or kids were similar ages to their own
family, which includes the Shermans, the Ewings, the Danvers,
the Chatwals, and Ms. Foster and Gary. All those families have
kids who are in situations similar to Pat's. While he's been
home schooling the boys the last few months, and while he's
going to continue doing at least some classes with them over the
summer, Dennis has decided that he's not a great teacher. While
they're still leaning towards the public schools, they are
discussing the idea of sending the boys to BCA, since both of
the younger boys are showing signs of the same symptoms Pat had
before he was diagnosed, and it looks like Sean might actually
be worse off than his big brother.
#Post#: 6165--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dennis and Barbara McLeod and Family - Patrick (12), Sean (9
), and Colin (8)
By: Zyngaru Date: June 3, 2018, 9:13 am
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=469.msg6164#msg6164
date=1528017300]
A couple of things you should remember, Zyngaru...
2) I'm not going to say this is true of every boy, but for the
vast majority I've known - boys want rules and they want
boundaries. Knowing your parents will enforce those makes kids
feel safe. Of course, keeping the balance between maintaining
boundaries and giving them room to continue growing can be a
hard balance, and is probably responsible for a lot of the
problems that occur during the teen years, but I really do
believe kids know when they need and deserve some type of
correction, and they have a good idea for what's fair and right,
and, as long as they generally have a good relationship with
their parents - they are more than able to accept it, recover,
and move on.
[/quote]
This has been one of my philosophies for years. Even when kids
complain about boundaries, they still want them, for the very
reason you said. Boundaries provide safety or at least the
feeling of being safe.
I told my siblings when their kids were mid to late teens, that
they can use a variation of this idea to help their kids with
peer pressure. Talk to them and let them know they can use you
to get out of doing things they don't really want to do with
friends or associates. Be their safety net. You just need to
tell them to let you know when they have used you, so you can
back them up.
"I really want to go Chuckie, but mom told me, on no uncertain
terms, that I have to get the yard mowed and weeded today. So I
better be getting home. Have fun guys."
"Maybe if I ask her she will let you come? Give her a call. I
can at least try."
"Hello mom. Chuck has invited me to a party at his house, but I
told him that you insist that I get the yard mowed and weeded
today, so I can't go. Here's Chuck."
"Hello Mrs. R. Matt really wants to come to my house. Could he
do the mowing tomorrow instead of today? I probably could even
come over tomorrow and help him out and get it done twice as
fast."
"Chuck, thanks for your offer to help Matthew, but the yard
really does need to be done today. I actually needed it done
this morning, but Matthew wanted to go out so I let him put it
off until this afternoon. So I'm sorry, but Matthew really
needs to come home now."
Later.
"Thanks mom for bailing me out."
"No problem Mathew, but you do realize if your friends drive by
the house they are going to notice the yard has already been
mowed."
"Mom, they are so messed up right now, they wouldn't be able to
even find our house."
"Oh! I am really glad you didn't go with them. Love you
Matthew."
"Love you too, mom."
#Post#: 6167--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dennis and Barbara McLeod and Family - Patrick (12), Sean (9
), and Colin (8)
By: Jack Date: June 3, 2018, 11:20 am
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Sometimes I'm surprised that technique actually works - I know
it's been suggested multiple times on the net over many years.
I"ve suggested it to many of my kids, from Mikell to Liam, and
it does still seem to work.
#Post#: 6169--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dennis and Barbara McLeod and Family - Patrick (12), Sean (9
), and Colin (8)
By: Zyngaru Date: June 3, 2018, 1:00 pm
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=469.msg6167#msg6167
date=1528042844]
Sometimes I'm surprised that technique actually works - I know
it's been suggested multiple times on the net over many years.
I"ve suggested it to many of my kids, from Mikell to Liam, and
it does still seem to work.
[/quote]
It worked for my sister's kids. She didn't know it worked until
years later. But they did use her to get out of doing stuff
they really didn't want to get involved in, but were being
pressured by friends to do it anyway. That does not mean, they
didn't do some other things they really shouldn't have done, by
an adults viewpoint. Basically you raise them up to the point
they make their own decisions and hope you did right by them.
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