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Re: School Trouble
By: Jack Date: February 28, 2018, 4:51 am
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While I was in a bit of a hurry yesterday morning, since I was
covering for Daniel at work, I did have time to stop when Mr. P
needed a witness. One must keep his priorities straight, after
all.
Two 7th grade boys - Paul Woodrow (whom you may remember from
the penny pitching incident last year) and another boy whom I
don't know, were in the office. The two of them had been tardy
to class and caught in the boys room, wrapping the bath room
stalls in toilet paper. Paul was easy - he received five swats
with his trousers down, and has to serve an hour of community
service this afternoon (not yesterday, since his parents needed
a chance to arrange a late pick up). The other boy (Roger
something - I didn't catch or don't recall) - had been in
trouble like this before. Mr. P reached his mother, who
couldn't leave work to come in, but authorized whatever Mr. P
thought was fair, and agreed that he'll be doing three days of
community service (his did start yesterday). He also got five
swats, but it was with trousers and underpants down. He wears
tighty whites, which was cute in itself, but he's also early
pubescent, but still hairless, so watching him prep was pretty
cute. As I've said many times before, Mr. P doesn't swing for
the bleechers, but these were still reasonably solid pops, and
Roger was yelling and crying before the last one landed.
Hopefully he both takes the point this time, and realizes that
your record follows you, so you have to consider that when you
do something.
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Re: School Trouble
By: Adric Date: February 28, 2018, 8:37 am
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=388.msg4085#msg4085
date=1519815116]
... I did have time to stop when Mr. P needed a witness. One
must keep his priorities straight, after all. ...[/quote]
Watching 7th grade boys get paddled seems like a very
high-priority job. ;)
[quote author=Jack link=topic=388.msg4085#msg4085
date=1519815116]
Paul Woodrow (whom you may remember from the penny pitching
incident last year) ...[/quote]
Yes, I think I remember that.
[quote author=Jack link=topic=388.msg4085#msg4085
date=1519815116]
... your record follows you, so you have to consider that when
you do something.[/quote]
When I got hauled in for my stray dog incident the principal
made a big production of writing up my offense in my "permanent
record" while I was sitting there with him. He made it sound
like my life would never be the same now that I was officially a
bad boy. I realize now that was mainly part of the ritual,
intended to make as big an impression on me as possible.
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Re: School Trouble
By: db105 Date: February 28, 2018, 9:37 am
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How does punishing several boys work at the BCA? I assume one
waits outside while the other is dealt with.
Anyway, that was plain vandalism, so the punishments are
well-earned. Did they give any explanation of why they did it? I
assume they just thought it would be funny.
I wonder if they'll get any additional punishment at home.
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Re: School Trouble
By: David M. Katz Date: February 28, 2018, 3:28 pm
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[quote author=Adric link=topic=388.msg4086#msg4086
date=1519828675]
[quote author=Jack link=topic=388.msg4085#msg4085
date=1519815116]
... I did have time to stop when Mr. P needed a witness. One
must keep his priorities straight, after all. ...[/quote]
Watching 7th grade boys get paddled seems like a very
high-priority job. ;)
[/quote]
I so agree!
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Re: School Trouble
By: Jack Date: February 28, 2018, 3:51 pm
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[quote author=Adric link=topic=388.msg4086#msg4086
date=1519828675]
[quote author=Jack link=topic=388.msg4085#msg4085
date=1519815116]
... your record follows you, so you have to consider that when
you do something.[/quote]
When I got hauled in for my stray dog incident the principal
made a big production of writing up my offense in my "permanent
record" while I was sitting there with him. He made it sound
like my life would never be the same now that I was officially a
bad boy. I realize now that was mainly part of the ritual,
intended to make as big an impression on me as possible.
[/quote]
Adric, by the time I was in 7th grade, I laughed at this idea -
maybe because I'd been in five different schools by this point.
On the other hand, while you're within a system, it's rather
true. If you join the military, a mistake can follow you the
rest of your career. And a legal mistake can haunt you forever.
More important, when you become 'known' for doing something,
that's how people will judge you. It's like I try to tell my
boys, if you've never lied to me, and you tell me something
that's hard to believe, I'm still going to trust you. If I know
you've been dishonest with me before, and you tell me something
that doesn't sound believable, it makes it much harder for me to
believe you.
[quote author=db105 link=topic=388.msg4089#msg4089
date=1519832248]
How does punishing several boys work at the BCA? I assume one
waits outside while the other is dealt with.
Anyway, that was plain vandalism, so the punishments are
well-earned. Did they give any explanation of why they did it? I
assume they just thought it would be funny.
I wonder if they'll get any additional punishment at home.
[/quote]
It honestly depends on the situation. In some cases where the
boys were relatives or close friends, I've seen them watch or
take the punishment side by side. Side by side is also possible
in the case of something like a fight, though I think that
depends on the parents involved. More common is for one boy to
wait outside - especially in a case like this where prior
history makes one boy's punishment more harsh.
If there was an actual reason, I never heard. Like you, I
assume it fell under the 'it was just a joke' defense.
Listening to Roger's mother on the phone, I'd say there's a good
chance he did, but there was nothing definite - it just sounded
like Mom was fed up with him.
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Re: School Trouble
By: jackson Date: February 28, 2018, 8:32 pm
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Who was it that caught both those outlaws in the act?
Had a search party been sent out for them?
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Re: School Trouble
By: Jack Date: March 1, 2018, 4:40 am
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[quote author=jackson link=topic=388.msg4102#msg4102
date=1519871568]
Who was it that caught both those outlaws in the act?
Had a search party been sent out for them?
[/quote]
I have no idea. They were already in the office, and Mr. P was
in the final stages of settling the issues - just needing a
witness and parental permission - by the time I arrived.
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Re: School Trouble
By: Zyngaru Date: March 1, 2018, 9:08 am
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=388.msg4085#msg4085
date=1519815116]
Adric, by the time I was in 7th grade, I laughed at this idea -
maybe because I'd been in five different schools by this point.
[/quote]
Jack was one up on me by 7th grade. I had only been in 4
different schools by them. 8th grade was school number 5. 9th
grade was school number 6. 10th grade was school number 7. I
did get to stay in the same school for 10th through 12th grades.
I doubt if my permeant school records ever caught up with me.
;D ;D ;D
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Re: School Trouble
By: Jack Date: March 1, 2018, 12:07 pm
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I had been at Clark Street Elementary for first, Saggett Hills
for 2nd and 3rd, Linda Dunn for 4th and 5th, Nora Woods for 6th,
and Paulette Middle was my fifth. My only change after that was
to the high school in 9th grade.
#Post#: 4307--------------------------------------------------
Re: School Trouble
By: Jack Date: March 10, 2018, 1:05 pm
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This happened this past Thursday. It was coming close to time
for class to start, and I was talking to a student (one I've not
discussed here before), when I heard a commotion in the hall.
I went out quickly to see a fight occurring. Not a scuffle, but
a real - fist being thrown - fight.
"Break it up!" I called, as I stepped foward.
There were two boys involved, though both of them were older
teens. One of them is in my class, and the other I learned
about later, but will introduce now.
David has just turned 16. He's not a bad kid, nor dumb. He is
a bit of a slacker. This is his first year at BCA, and his
first year in Branson. He's living with his dad, step-mother,
half-brothers, after failing his freshman year last year. He was
a bit resentful at the start of class. I know he had a couple
of visits to Mr. P's office last semester, and I think his dad
is pretty strict and old fashioned. David is slightly shorter
than I am - maybe 5'9" or 10" inches, with a slender build. His
nose and ears are a bit too big for his face, his chin is almost
pointed, and he has wavy light brown hair and almost gray blue
eyes. He actually reminds me of Topher Grace for some reason.
Chris isn't a student of mine. I think I've seen him around Joe
before, but I don't really know him. He's about as tall as I
am, and a bit less boyishly thin than David, so maybe 145 or 150
pounds. He has dark brown hair and light brown eyes, and a
complexion that looks like he tans easily.
When I yelled, David stepped back and looked at me. I think
Chris glanced at me as I was stepping towards them, but he
didn't stop and took another swing.
Keep in mind that Tommy is quite a bit bigger than me, and he
had some troubles as a teen, including being rather aggressive
at times. I had to take some classes to learn to deal with
them, and one of the things they taught us is several ways to
take down an agrressive teenager without causing any real harm.
There's a move, probably originally akido, where you can block a
punch and take control of someone's arm. The thing is, among
it's many other uses, the arm makes a good lever. In example,
hold your arm straight out at shoulder level. Now bring your
hand back by your ear. Now, holding your hand in the same
place, move your elbow so it (your elbow, not your hand) is
pointing straight up. Now you understand why Chris decided to
lay down when I did that.
"You," I said, looking at David, "face the wall."
He did.
"Are you going to settle down?"
Chris nodded, so I released his arm and moved back, just in
case. He stood up, keeping an eye on me, and I had him move to
face the other wall.
"Did anyone see the entire event?" I asked the students who
hadn't fled before being identified.
Several admitted to it, including some in my class. I then told
everyone to get to class.
I escorted the boys to the office. Neither of them was hurt
seriously, though David had been caught pretty well on the
cheek, just under the eye. The nurse wasn't in, but Mr. C took
a look at him (certified medic). I explained the situation to
Mr. P, promised him a right up, and headed back to class.
The bell had rung by the time I got back. I called one of the
witnesses out to the hall for a quick q&a. Based on what he
told me, I told the kids to start reading, questioned another
witness, then sent a text to Mr. P, and ended up calling him
(cell phones do make teaching much easier in some ways).
It seems that David had been on his way to my class, when Chris
caught up with him. Chris was griping about David almost
causing a wreck. David apparently didn't take it seriously
enough, and Chris shoved him. David shoved him back, and Chris
swung.
It's common to punish both kids involved in a fight equally.
Part of the reason for this is probably to avoid arguments about
who's fault it was and who started it. In this case, not only
did we have independent witnesses, but while being questioned,
Chris pretty much admitted what happened. He was trying to
explain why it was David's fault - because he'd nearly caused a
wreck, and because he hadn't taken it seriously, but in
explaining that, he admitted to having tracked down the other
boy, initiated the argument, first put hands on the other boy,
and having thrown the first punch.
Since Chris had hoist himself on his own petard, David was sent
back to class. I later learned that Chris's father was called,
and came in. Chris received a long and thorough session with
the mesquite paddle that left him yelping, whimpering, and
crying - though he didn't break down and bawl. He's also had
to spend Friday in isolation (ISS) and may have to do it again
Monday, unless he finishes his homework and an overview on
temper control. Mr. P tells me that he also received an
earthshaking lecture on the fact that he's going to be 18 on 3
April, at which point he could go to jail for something like
this.
More to come.
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