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What is 'mean spirited'?
By: Jack Date: January 11, 2025, 12:13 pm
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As I've said here recently, i've started reading spanky-lit
again, and I'm discovering that I don't like stories where the
spanker or spankings seem mean spirited.
I was just reading some by a recommended author (who hasn't
posted in four years), so I'm going to mention him in case you
want to look for yourself, and hope he doesn't hear about this
post. If he does (or if anyone likes his stories), I'm going to
point out that these are my opinions, and I'm expressing them to
open a discussion, not because I think my way is the only proper
way or because I want to insult an author who's writing style I
like very much.
I read one of Frank's stories that I really liked, so tried
another. I read part 3 of What Do You Mean? and the protagonist
gets a hard, bare bottom paddling because he was supposed to
'mow the lawn early' and he slept in an extra twenty or thirty
minutes. How can a decent parent justify spanking in that
situation at all? Now, maybe this one hits me hard because I
was spanked in a similar situation, and I'm still angry about it
50 years later. Or maybe it's just lazy writing (either not
making the situation clear or not being willing to bother to
find a reasonable excuse), or maybe the author isn't intending
this to be a WHASS and wants the boy's punishments to be
unfair.
Then I tried another - the first story in The Twins. The boys
are staying with a neighbor who has never spanked them before,
but who has watched them. The boys are about to get a
well-deserved spanking, but after spanking the smaller twin
(fraternal, not identical), he expects the other boy, who just
watched his brother receive a very hard spanking on his pajamas
and briefs, to willingly come to him, gives that boy three
smacks for not coming, then sits down and demands he comes
again, then gives him three more smacks - bare this time, and
demands he come to him again, then gives him the same ten smacks
his brother got, except, when he covers his bottom and doesn't
move his hands, he gets the second half bare.
I can't see anyway that could be considered anything but mean,
and it was enough that I don't want to read anymore of his
stories. Am I over reacting? How do you feel about that kind
of story?
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Re: What is 'mean spirited'?
By: David M. Katz Date: January 11, 2025, 3:56 pm
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As one who wrote unreasonable and OTT spankings in my first few
stories because I thought that is what readers wanted because
that is what I had read, I understand why these stories exist.
I do not like them and have long since redeemed my ways.
I will subvert an adage: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
I know there are some who enjoy this sort of thing and it is
what they get off to. I rather they read it/write it than do it.
So, there is a need for these stories.
That said, I prefer more realistic type stories. I don't mind a
harsh spanking but it needs to be justified by the "crime" and
be age appropriate. I hate mean spankers.
If there is abuse or a mean/hateful spanker then I want a
comeuppance or retribution in the story. A loving/caring spanker
can make a harsh spanking easier to handle.
I don't like them and won't read them for pleasure.
I am sometimes in a position where I have to read them but I
won't seek them out for my personal enjoyment.
I am with you, Jack.
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Re: What is 'mean spirited'?
By: Zyngaru Date: January 11, 2025, 7:17 pm
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I am with both Jack and DMK.
There are mean spirited people in the world. You see them all
the time on the job. They are the people that look for ways to
make co-workers look bad in front of their boss.
So, I can see this showing up in stories. It is realistic, even
if it's not fair. But then I was taught that life isn't fair.
I also believe there is a difference between a mean-spirited
person and just a plain ordinary mean person. The stereotype of
the old hag down the street that fusses at kids. Or the grumpy
old man. Just normal mean people. But mean-spirited are the
ones that stick knives in the backs of their children. They
take pleasure out of leaving welts on their kids. Some
implements will leave welts, but to take pleasure in doing it
just for your own enjoyment is mean-spirited and could also be
just mean, if you do it all the time. Kids at school that
spread rumors about other kids, again mean spirited. They find
out that Billy still wets his bed at 12 years old. Do they keep
his confidence? No, they spread the rumor until the whole
school knows Billy's secret.
I dn;t like mean spirited people and I for sure don't want to
read about them. UNLESS like DMK said, they get it in the end.
My problem I wouldn't have kept reading to the end to find out
they got what was coming to them.
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Re: What is 'mean spirited'?
By: afinch Date: January 11, 2025, 11:04 pm
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I'm with the rest of you. And I don't care if they get their
comeuppance in the end, because that doesn't undo the damage
they've caused.
Similarly, there is a SS site mostly known for photos and
videos. I have zero interest in seeing photos of people whipped
or caned to bleeding or paddled to massive bruising. That has
nothing to do with "spanking"--it's abuse.
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Re: What is 'mean spirited'?
By: Jack Date: January 12, 2025, 12:48 am
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[quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=3362.msg30117#msg30117
date=1736632574]
That said, I prefer more realistic type stories. I don't mind a
harsh spanking but it needs to be justified by the "crime" and
be age appropriate. I hate mean spankers.
[/quote]
There are plenty of stories with harsh spankings, but with good
reasons for them.
Davram Quinn's Care and Handling series
Finn Kelly's A Different Approach
Of course one of the problems is, it's hard to tell how harsh a
spanking is based simply on what you're reading. Two people
can give hand swats, yet one barely pinkens the skin while
another leaves a bruise. That's why, to me, it's more about how
the spankee is treated.
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Re: What is 'mean spirited'?
By: Plagosus Date: January 12, 2025, 5:35 pm
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An author may provide a reason for the punishment perhaps
because he feels a reason is needed in a spanking story and then
go on to describe a harsh spanking. The spanking may come over
as mean-spirited if the reason is trivial and merited if the
reason was serious.
I am not too concerned about why a boy is spanked. In some of my
stories no reason is given. The focus of my stories tends to be
on "spankiness" and very often the situations I create are
highly implausible but not impossible. I have now and again
written about mean-spirited spankers, but the fact they are
mean-spirited is made clear other than by hard how they spank or
what for.
In the end, whatever we write, are we not all exploring our
obsession with spanking?
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Re: What is 'mean spirited'?
By: Jack Date: January 12, 2025, 10:45 pm
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[quote author=Plagosus link=topic=3362.msg30121#msg30121
date=1736724953]
In the end, whatever we write, are we not all exploring our
obsession with spanking?
[/quote]
You are absotively, posilutely, 100% correct. That's what a lot
of my reason posts have been about. I'm trying to explore my
own interests and define what I like and what I don't like. I
enjoy posting these things as threads, both because I honestly
want to see what other people think, but also because my own
thinking becomes more clear when I put it in writing.
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Re: What is 'mean spirited'?
By: squarecutter Date: January 25, 2025, 6:06 am
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I find it harder to watch or read anything now when I see no
empathy or understanding and cannot like any of the characters
involved. Can I mention Stephen Seagall? movies? As such
stories spankings without context or a basis in the narrative
would leave me cold. Even abusive spankings if you sympathise
with the victim would give me somewhere to go. Heretically
perhaps I prefer good stories with spankings, not the other way
around
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Re: What is 'mean spirited'?
By: Jack Date: January 25, 2025, 9:04 am
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[quote author=squarecutter link=topic=3362.msg30176#msg30176
date=1737806796]
Heretically perhaps I prefer good stories with spankings, not
the other way around
[/quote]
That was my intention with my Central Point High School series.
It was created to be stories about realistic characters who
lived rich, detailed life, and some of them happened to be
spankos, while others happened to be disciplined using corporal
punishment.
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Re: What is 'mean spirited'?
By: HumbledBareBoy Date: February 2, 2025, 4:19 pm
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=3362.msg30116#msg30116
date=1736619224]As I've said here recently, i've started reading
spanky-lit again, and I'm discovering that I don't like stories
where the spanker or spankings seem mean spirited. <-snip-> I
can't see anyway that could be considered anything but mean, and
it was enough that I don't want to read anymore of his stories.
Am I over reacting? How do you feel about that kind of
story?[/quote]
First of all, I think a key point is what Plagosus said
regarding the "justification" and/or "reason" question: "An
author may provide a reason for the punishment perhaps because
he feels a reason is needed in a spanking story and then go on
to describe a harsh spanking. The spanking may come over as
mean-spirited if the reason is trivial and merited if the reason
was serious." [emoji106] Jack, you and I have discussed this
both in group chat and privately over email, but in general I
take the YKINMK philosophy and believe that "it takes all
kinds," in general. Are you "overreacting," you ask? My answer
would be "NO", though I tend to believe that just about nobody
is ever truly "over-reacting" to this or that; instead, they are
simply "reacting," according to the stimulus and the feelings it
brings up from within them. More humorously, I would say that
how I personally feel tends to be a matter of how hot and
arousing the story is, or to what extent does it make me want to
operate my laptop with only one hand?! [emoji38]
[quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=3362.msg30117#msg30117
date=1736632574]That said, I prefer more realistic type stories.
I don't mind a harsh spanking but it needs to be justified by
the "crime" and be age appropriate. I hate mean spankers. If
there is abuse or a mean/hateful spanker then I want a
comeuppance or retribution in the story. A loving/caring spanker
can make a harsh spanking easier to handle.[/quote]
I think this is a major preferential and philosophical
difference between you and myself? Especially since you have
used the "suspending reality" phrase, with respect to some of my
own stories, from your own "reviewer" perspective... [emoji4]
...so I was extra-flattered, and my heart warmed, when you
shared kind words about the emotional aspects of some of my
stories. I do believe you and I are quite different, most
notably in these two ways:
[list type=upper-alpha]
[li]I'm more inclined to priortize "hotness" over other such
ideals, such as "realism" and "fairness." In my case, bear in
mind, the "hotness" term is roughly synonymous with
[emoji533][emoji97] potential... [emoji40][/li]
[li]Although I have my preferences around emotions and overall
tone, I can easily overlook injustice and mean-spiritedness, so
long as it serves the purpose of [emoji91] [emoji91] [emoji91]
content to indulge my baser instincts.[/li]
[/list]
[quote author=Plagosus link=topic=3362.msg30121#msg30121
date=1736724953]I am not too concerned about why a boy is
spanked. In some of my stories no reason is given. The focus of
my stories tends to be on "spankiness" and very often the
situations I create are highly implausible but not impossible. I
have now and again written about mean-spirited spankers, but the
fact they are mean-spirited is made clear other than by hard how
they spank or what for.[/quote]
Needless to say, I tend to resonate with this outlook -- with
respect to not only "spankiness," but also arousal and eroticism
-- regardless of whether the "spirit" is mean or wholesome.
[quote author=Jack link=topic=3362.msg30124#msg30124
date=1736743512]
[quote author=Plagosus link=topic=3362.msg30121#msg30121
date=1736724953]In the end, whatever we write, are we not all
exploring our obsession with spanking?[/quote]
I'm trying to explore my own interests and define what I like
and what I don't like. I enjoy posting these things as threads,
both because I honestly want to see what other people think, but
also because my own thinking becomes more clear when I put it in
writing.
[/quote]
Yeah, I agree, these are indeed fruitful and engaging
discussions! [emoji817] Although, it's kind of ironic though,
that when I shared that one story link to you and Z. -- as my
idea of a "mean-spirited" story, that is -- you yourselves
actually felt differently. On account of the boy's naughty
behavior, specifically, so from what I recall, it appeared not
to activate your "mean" and/or "unfair" sensors like it did for
me(?) Whereas for both myself and another fellow author, she and
I shared a perception of the parents as unloving and even
somewhat sadistic; though I actually enjoyed that aspect, being
somewhat sadomasochistic myself, haha! [emoji12]
We humans really are such peculiar folk, aren't we? [emoji38]
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