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Ramadan
By: Emlyn Morgan Date: March 12, 2024, 12:12 pm
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Despite the predictions of the astronomers, the first sliver of
the new moon was not sighted in the west-north-west over Morocco
until Monday evening (11th March 2024 in the international
calendar). So today, Tuesday, is the first day of fasting from
sunrise til sunset. Remember that in the Moslem calendar as in
the Jewish calendar each new day starts at sunset.
And today we put the clocks back one hour just for this month of
Ramadan, much to the consternation of the international airlines
who set their timetable change a day early!
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Re: Ramadan
By: ivor Date: March 12, 2024, 12:31 pm
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Very confusing, even without the one day! Is that to make the
fasting duration shorter?
Are you participating? Are restaurants etc. closed during the
day?
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Re: Ramadan
By: Zyngaru Date: March 12, 2024, 2:51 pm
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[quote author=Emlyn Morgan link=topic=3148.msg28672#msg28672
date=1710263528]
Despite the predictions of the astronomers, the first sliver of
the new moon was not sighted in the west-north-west over Morocco
until Monday evening (11th March 2024 in the international
calendar). So today, Tuesday, is the first day of fasting from
sunrise til sunset. Remember that in the Moslem calendar as in
the Jewish calendar each new day starts at sunset.
And today we put the clocks back one hour just for this month of
Ramadan, much to the consternation of the international airlines
who set their timetable change a day early!
[/quote]
I'm curious. So, you can eat a full meal before sunrise and
another full meal after sunset? If that is correct, then what
kind of Fast is that? Does this fast last all month? I have
fasted for a month, but that was no eating for the entire month.
I did drink water, because you can't survive for a month
without water. So, I am curious as to what kind of fast is
observed for Ramadan?
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Re: Ramadan
By: Emlyn Morgan Date: March 13, 2024, 3:53 am
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[quote author=Zyngaru] So, I am curious as to what kind of fast
is observed for Ramadan?
[/quote]
I had never experienced the month of Ramadan in a Moslem country
in previous years because it fell in the summer when I am not
here. However the Moslem calendar is lunar, months are shorter,
so each month creeps forward against the international calendar,
and now Ramadan falls in winter when I am here.
I had thought that Ramadan was all about fasting, but now I find
it is much about feasting. After sunset we join family, friends
or neighbours for to have a special meal named Iftar with
special foods. So it's rather like having Christmas dinner every
night for a month! And yes, observants of the fast can eat again
before sunrise.
Yes, cafes and restaurants are closed all day. The fast, no food
or water, is from sunrise to sunset throughout the month. I do
not observe the fast; I eat indoors during the day - discreetly,
out of consideration for those who are fasting.
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Re: Ramadan
By: Zyngaru Date: March 13, 2024, 8:13 am
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[quote author=Emlyn Morgan link=topic=3148.msg28680#msg28680
date=1710320002]
[quote author=Zyngaru] So, I am curious as to what kind of fast
is observed for Ramadan?
[/quote]
I had never experienced the month of Ramadan in a Moslem country
in previous years because it fell in the summer when I am not
here. However the Moslem calendar is lunar, months are shorter,
so each month creeps forward against the international calendar,
and now Ramadan falls in winter when I am here.
I had thought that Ramadan was all about fasting, but now I find
it is much about feasting. After sunset we join family, friends
or neighbours for to have a special meal named Iftar with
special foods. So it's rather like having Christmas dinner every
night for a month! And yes, observants of the fast can eat again
before sunrise.
Yes, cafes and restaurants are closed all day. The fast, no food
or water, is from sunrise to sunset throughout the month. I do
not observe the fast; I eat indoors during the day - discreetly,
out of consideration for those who are fasting.
[/quote]
Thank you for the explanation. Basically, it is a fast to get
your appetite elevated to be able to enjoy the feast. Makes
sense. Feasting for Holidays makes sense also. Holidays
whether secular or religious are meant to enjoy not to suffer.
Going all day without water is okay as long as you aren't
walking in the desert sun. I wouldn't recommend working out in
the hot sun and not drinking water.
Thanks again for explaining it to me.
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Re: Ramadan
By: Emlyn Morgan Date: March 13, 2024, 10:01 am
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[quote author=ivor]
Very confusing, even without the one day! Is that to make the
fasting duration shorter?
[/quote] Putting the clocks back has the effect of making sunset
seem to arrive sooner, so you can break your fast earlier, but
in reality just causes confusion. Children hear the call to
prayer for first light, get up, eat quickly before sunrise, rush
to school, look at their smartphones and can't understand why
they've arrived an hour early!
But time is a different concept down here. The town hall clock
has shown a couple of minutes past two o'clock since the Spanish
fled in 1976. Inconsiderately, they never come back to do the
winding! If a visitor wants to know how anybody knows what time
it is, the question is not understood. "But we have the sun, and
the calls to prayer."
From my balcony we can see the sun setting into the ocean. "You
can break your fast now. We can eat," say I. "No," says my
companion. "We must wait to hear the sunset call to prayer!"
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Re: Ramadan
By: Emlyn Morgan Date: April 10, 2024, 4:01 pm
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[quote author=Emlyn Morgan link=topic=3148.msg28685#msg28685
date=1710342101]
But time is a different concept down here.
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I'm not even going to ask why this hotel I'm staying in has
three clocks in reception - all wrong. [attachimg=1]
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Re: Ramadan
By: Zyngaru Date: April 10, 2024, 9:32 pm
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[quote author=Emlyn Morgan link=topic=3148.msg28685#msg28685
date=1710342101]
From my balcony we can see the sun setting into the ocean. "You
can break your fast now. We can eat," say I. "No," says my
companion. "We must wait to hear the sunset call to prayer!"
[/quote]
So, if they are using an out-of-time clock for Call to Prayer,
then no one gets to eat. Or worse! A clock that isn't wound,
so it isn't even running.
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