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MMSA
By: Plagosus Date: May 10, 2023, 6:30 pm
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I posted the following on MMSA in this thread:
HTML https://newforum.malespank.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9272.
Any
comments?
I am all for encouragement, but not for feeding egos. My ideal
would be to do away with shields and stars and allowing authors
to see the number of visitors. I am happy for the feedback
facility to continue so long as authors can choose whether or
not they have it. If an alternative to stars is wanted then
there should be a system where a window pops up and readers are
given the opportunity to click on "I liked this story" or even
"Good", "Very Good" or "Excellent", with the ability to simply
close the window without voting. The results would only be
available for the author to see. With that system authors would
not be comparing themselves to other authors.
Stars and shields are of little value to readers. It may be a
while before a story gets any sort of star rating. Those whose
maths is better than mine have confirmed that there are 100
possible permutations of stars and shields. What are readers to
make of the overload of information? Most stories have some sort
of award so that what the system does is draw attention to
stories without any award suggesting they should be avoided. The
introduction of six pointed stars has highlighted that some
genres are more popular than others. Authors who keep to a less
popular genre appear not to be as good as those who choose more
popular genres. Readers do not need stars as they get to know
who they want to read. Cream rises. Dubious hierarchies are not
needed in libraries and so should not have a place in an
archive.
Flag made his position abundantly clear when he peremptorily
sacked Daniel and me as reviewers and moderators for suggesting
the system had a downside. He resolutely refuses to acknowledge
that anything he has devised can be flawed.
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Re: MMSA
By: ivor Date: May 11, 2023, 6:41 am
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Do you enjoy bashing your head against a flagpost, Plag?
It has been very evident for a long time that Flag considers his
"wonderful site" to be his and his alone. He seemingly considers
it to be perfect and rejects any and all suggestions that are
made for potential improvements.
Virtually any changes made are as a result of a whim. Take the
'evermore' saga and the sudden change in qualifying standards
for stars as classic examples.
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Re: MMSA
By: David M. Katz Date: May 11, 2023, 4:45 pm
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[quote author=Plagosus link=topic=2928.msg27026#msg27026
date=1683761456]
The introduction of six pointed stars has highlighted that some
genres are more popular than others. Authors who keep to a less
popular genre appear not to be as good as those who choose more
popular genres. .
[/quote]
This is the point I don't get. How so? I do not write in a
"popular" genre. Not to brag and, I only point it out for
example, but I frequently get six pointers and, if not, filled
in four pointers. I am not sure that the argument that authors
who write in a popular genre only are awarded with six pointers
holds true.
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Re: MMSA
By: Plagosus Date: May 11, 2023, 5:21 pm
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Whenever authors say they are thinking of giving up a series, or
altogether, because they are disappointed with the lack of
feedback of one sort or another, I suggest they should not be
concerned and just get on and write if they like writing. I said
that feedback was a mixed blessing and suggested that no one
would be fretting if there were no statistics. DMK came along
and asked if I wanted statistics to be abolished. My last post
was a reply to that. I said what my ideal was and why. If the
question had not been asked I would not have made the post.
Perhaps my problem, if it is one, is that I am not competitive.
I do not have either low or high self-esteem. I just do stuff
because I want to do it. I feel no need to prove anything. I
maintain a reasonable equanimity most of the time. I do though
feel for those authors who agonise. I do my best to persuade
them they have no need to agonise and suggest they just
concentrate on writing what they want or feel they need to
write.
All around people are discussing who is the GOAT whether at
football, golf, chess or whatever when we should just rejoice in
whatever talents people have without comparing them.
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Re: MMSA
By: Plagosus Date: May 11, 2023, 5:23 pm
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[quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=2928.msg27034#msg27034
date=1683841523]
[quote author=Plagosus link=topic=2928.msg27026#msg27026
date=1683761456]
The introduction of six pointed stars has highlighted that some
genres are more popular than others. Authors who keep to a less
popular genre appear not to be as good as those who choose more
popular genres. .
[/quote]
This is the point I don't get. How so? I do not write in a
"popular" genre. Not to brag and, I only point it out for
example, but I frequently get six pointers and, if not, filled
in four pointers. I am not sure that the argument that authors
who write in a popular genre only are awarded with six pointers
holds true.
[/quote]
You may be right. I am just going by the impression I have.
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Re: MMSA
By: Kat Date: May 11, 2023, 5:26 pm
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First, I'm relieved the MMSA thread is locked before Flag gets
involved and starts another round of arbitrary bans. I wouldn't
mind at all if he were to ban Bottom, but Plag's presence would
be a loss.
Katz, I think WHASS, which I see as your genre, is fairly
popular. It's not as popular as it once was, but it's not the
same as some of the really niche genres, such as sci-fi and
fantasy. Also, even if WHASS is a less popular genre, perhaps
you are the exception that proves the rule. An individual
author's success isn't necessarily indicative that the genre is
popular.
Since we're here and not in the hellscape of the MMSA forum, I'd
happily get rid of the shields. There has been too much
bitterness over them for them to bring me any satisfaction.
I do not enjoy seeing my stories with nothing at all beside
them. I do not enjoy seeing my stories with sad, hollow,
four-pointed thingamajigs while someone else is enjoying a pair
of solid six-pointers. It does feel like my nose is being rubbed
in the fact that readers just aren't that into me. Flag claims
the stars help readers. (I think that was his explanation.)
Well, Foxtrot the readers! I'll keep writing if I have an idea
and can scrape together some time to produce something. I expect
I'd feel a lot better about the distinctions in stars if I were
getting the double solids. Since I'm not, I'd like to shove a
couple of those six-pointed stars up Flag's rectum. They'd hurt
a lot more than shoving one of the shields there.
As for changing the system, Ivor's post says it all.
Kat
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Re: MMSA
By: Plagosus Date: May 11, 2023, 6:07 pm
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I strongly suspected the MMSA thread would be locked which is
one of the reasons I posted here ;D
Popularity is not everything. It has to be remembered that first
and foremost readers come to the archive to read descriptions of
spanking. Some will become selective after becoming sated with
spankathons and look for something a bit different; others are
happy with any story which includes the sort of material which
feeds their particular kink.
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Re: MMSA
By: Zyngaru Date: May 12, 2023, 9:31 am
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[quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=2928.msg27034#msg27034
date=1683841523]
[quote author=Plagosus link=topic=2928.msg27026#msg27026
date=1683761456]
The introduction of six pointed stars has highlighted that some
genres are more popular than others. Authors who keep to a less
popular genre appear not to be as good as those who choose more
popular genres. .
[/quote]
This is the point I don't get. How so? I do not write in a
"popular" genre. Not to brag and, I only point it out for
example, but I frequently get six pointers and, if not, filled
in four pointers. I am not sure that the argument that authors
who write in a popular genre only are awarded with six pointers
holds true.
[/quote]
I agree with Dave on this one. I'm not so sure it has to do
with Genre as much as fan base. The more you write and the
longer you continue to write the larger your fan base.
Theoretically anyway. The larger your fan base the more people
who will read your stories and thus the more potential you have
of them voting for stars.
Personally, I have NEVER used the star system to compare myself
to other writers. That would be stupid on my part. I will
never be as good as other writers. I use the star system to
rate myself against myself. Am I improving, remaining the same
or getting worse.
As for Mr. Flag. I have always been and always will be one of
his staunch supporters. He encouraged me when I first started
submitting stories and we all know how bad the first ones were.
Just read the ones on Nifty, because they were my first stories
online, and you will see. BUT MOSTLY, I will always support
Flag because he started and operates something that no one else
does. It's HIS site. He has the right to run it as he sees
fit. This is Jack's site. He has the right to run it as HE
sees fit. It's fine to make suggestions to better a site or
suggestions on what you personally would like to see on it, but
to complain because the site owner doesn't act on your
suggestion is WRONG. I tell those individuals, if you want a
site that has everything exactly the way YOU like it, then
create one of your own.
Okay. Off my soap box.
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Re: MMSA
By: Kat Date: May 12, 2023, 10:07 am
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I'm glad you have had a positive experience with Flag, Zyngaru.
You won't find me singing his praises, though. To me and several
others here, he has been a jackhole. I acknowledge his talents
and credit him for creating both the archive and forum. I just
hope he doesn't decide to destroy it in a fit of pique one day.
And while he is the owner of MMSA, the writers who contribute to
it have an investment in it, as well. He can, of course, do as
he likes, but he is not above criticism. It does him no credit
when acts like an authoritarian. If he doesn't want to act on
suggestions, that is his prerogative. What concerns me is his
intolerance for dissent.
You are fortunate that you've only met Dr. Jekyll. Numerous
other people have had dealings with Mr. Hyde.
I give Jack full credit for operating a forum where we can have
frank discussions. Jack has been very generous, as he started
Bransom to showcase his own material.
Kat
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Re: MMSA
By: Adric Date: May 15, 2023, 6:48 pm
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These discussions of how MMSA could be restructured for better
effect reminded me of an old children's story, "Belling the
Cat."
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