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       #Post#: 1491--------------------------------------------------
       Shirtless Boys
       By: David M. Katz Date: November 12, 2017, 11:48 am
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       [quote="Zyngaru"] [quote author=Jack
       link=topic=162.msg1432#msg1432 date=1510348150]
       I'm not sure where you're from, Z, but a lot of times, I
       encourage the boys to wear a light tee even during the summer.
       We know a lot more about the risks of skin cancer than we did
       even in my youth.  However, the boys do still spend a lot of
       time in just their trunks during the summer.
       [/quote]
       I grew up in Virginia and North Carolina, in and around the
       Dismal Swamp.  It was before air conditioning.  We cooled our
       house with fans in windows.  Which blew hot air around.  Skin
       cancer wasn't heard of.  Matter of fact it was preached by
       doctors that the sun was very good for us.  So from spring to
       winter I went shirtless and only wore shorts with no underwear
       at home and around the neighborhood.  Now at school it was
       button up shirts tucked into long trousers or jeans, no matter
       how hot it was.
       I rarely see shirtless boys anymore.  There are a couple of new
       kids to the neighborhood and the boys go shirtless all the time,
       even if there is a chill in the air.  Most unusual in todays
       society and the whole skin cancer thing with the sun.
       I didn't wear PJ's once I started school at 5 years old.  I
       slept in briefs until 12 and then n-a-k-e-d after that.  But I
       am a military brat, and my dad brought me up like a jarhead.
       Absolutely no modesty whatsoever.  But honestly it was just too
       hot and humid to wear clothes, unless you absolutely had to.  I
       started sleeping n-u-d-e, because of jock rot, which was caused
       by sweating in my briefs and my wet briefs rubbing my groin
       area.  Once I started sleeping n-u-d-e, I never had jock rot
       again.
       So there was a practical reason for going as naked as possible
       back then.
       [/quote]
       #Post#: 1492--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Shirtless Boys
       By: David M. Katz Date: November 12, 2017, 11:50 am
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       [quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=162.msg1476#msg1476
       date=1510466364]
       Z, shirtless boys are still rather common around here in the
       summer.
       [/quote]
       #Post#: 1493--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Shirtless Boys
       By: David M. Katz Date: November 12, 2017, 11:52 am
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       [quote author=Zyngaru link=topic=162.msg1486#msg1486
       date=1510496174]
       [quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=162.msg1476#msg1476
       date=1510466364]
       Z, shirtless boys are still rather common around here in the
       summer.
       [/quote]
       David,  Shirtless boys are NOT common here anymore.  Yet there
       are three boys that even though it is cool out, when playing
       football (American Football) across the street from my house
       they remove their shirts and shoes and play.  There is another
       boy who is a little on the chubby side and pulls his shirt up
       around his neck, so his chest is showing.  Then there is this
       other boy about 10 who removes his shirt as soon as he gets off
       the school bus and goes shirtless.  I suspect as open as he is
       about being shirtless, he might be a bare boy at home or at the
       very least an undie boy at home.
       Oh how the mind can imagine things.  Hahahahaaa.
       [/quote]
       #Post#: 1495--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Shirtless Boys
       By: David M. Katz Date: November 12, 2017, 12:02 pm
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       I wonder how much of those boys' motivations to take their
       shirts off have to do with the fact that their friend/sibling
       has done so.  Sort of a tribe mentality?
       Also who remembers Shirts v. Skins in PE?
       #Post#: 1496--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Shirtless Boys
       By: Zyngaru Date: November 12, 2017, 1:04 pm
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       [quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=169.msg1495#msg1495
       date=1510509728]
       I wonder how much of those boys' motivations to take their
       shirts off have to do with the fact that their friend/sibling
       has done so.  Sort of a tribe mentality?
       Also who remembers Shirts v. Skins in PE?
       [/quote]
       Thanks Dave for moving this discussion to it's own thread.
       I don't think any of the boys that go shirtless is motivated by
       their brothers or friends.  There will be 8 boys playing
       football and only 2 or 3 will go shirtless.  Even siblings don't
       match.  One boy is about 13 and he always go shirtless and is
       always pulling at the front of his sports shorts.  His brother
       of about 10 rarely goes shirtless.  Another boy of about 10/11
       is always shirtless even when he is the only boy doing so.  He
       will be hanging out with 5 or 6 of his friends and they all keep
       their shirts on, but he doesn't even have a shirt with him.  He
       came from his house shirtless.
       It seems that there are just some boys that like to be shirtless
       and others don't.  I keep expecting the boys that keep their
       shirts on, to take them off since their friend is shirtless, but
       they never do.
       Cold weather is here in force now, but even now, if the sun is
       shining and the temps are cold, the shirtless boy will be
       shirtless.  Now if it is cloudy, he wears a shirt.  About half
       the boys go barefoot also.  That is rare anymore.  Some wait to
       get to the playground where they are on grass to go barefoot and
       others leave their houses barefoot and walk barefoot everywhere.
       I find it interesting to watch them and try to figure out if
       they are even aware of their differences.  It doesn't seem like
       there is any peer pressure at all in how they dress for playing.
       They seem to be doing what they feel comfortable with,
       independent of the others.
       I know I enjoy watching them.  Now that winter is upon us, I
       doubt there will be very many shirtless days until next spring
       and then I will probably have a whole new set of boys in the
       neighborhood.  Mostly rentals around me so families come and go
       every year.
       #Post#: 1497--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Shirtless Boys
       By: Jack Date: November 12, 2017, 3:08 pm
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       My kids actually go shirtless a lot in the winter - at least
       when they're inside.
       I love in the evenings, when the boys are wearing lounge pants,
       but no shoes or shirts!
       #Post#: 1509--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Shirtless Boys
       By: David M. Katz Date: November 12, 2017, 8:43 pm
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       [quote author=Jack link=topic=169.msg1497#msg1497
       date=1510520880]
       My kids actually go shirtless a lot in the winter - at least
       when they're inside.
       I love in the evenings, when the boys are wearing lounge pants,
       but no shoes or shirts!
       [/quote]
       Shirts in the house are very rare here regardless of season
       except for me and no one needs to have to see that.   ;D
       Everyone is always barefoot in the house except for Lynn as he
       hates being barefoot.  He is always in socks and even sleeps in
       socks.
       #Post#: 1511--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Shirtless Boys
       By: Zyngaru Date: November 12, 2017, 9:28 pm
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       [quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=169.msg1509#msg1509
       date=1510541010]
       Shirts in the house are very rare here regardless of season
       except for me and no one needs to have to see that.   ;D
       Everyone is always barefoot in the house except for Lynn as he
       hates being barefoot.  He is always in socks and even sleeps in
       socks.
       [/quote]
       In my house, barefoot, shirtless and most times bottomless.
       Another words nude.  Year round.  If there is a chill in the
       air, then a house robe to knock off the chill.  But then I live
       alone, so no one has to see my fat body, but me.
       When I have visitors, then I am clothed.  Usually still
       barefoot, but I do put on shorts and shirt.
       #Post#: 1515--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Shirtless Boys
       By: Jack Date: November 13, 2017, 4:31 am
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       [quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=169.msg1509#msg1509
       date=1510541010]
       Shirts in the house are very rare here regardless of season
       except for me and no one needs to have to see that.   ;D
       Everyone is always barefoot in the house except for Lynn as he
       hates being barefoot.  He is always in socks and even sleeps in
       socks.[/quote]
       I literally can not do that.  If I have socks on because it's
       cold, and I try to take a nap, I often wake to find I've toed
       them off.
       #Post#: 1629--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Shirtless Boys
       By: 18Smacked Date: November 18, 2017, 5:40 pm
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       [quote author=David M. Katz link=topic=169.msg1495#msg1495
       date=1510509728]
       I wonder how much of those boys' motivations to take their
       shirts off have to do with the fact that their friend/sibling
       has done so.  Sort of a tribe mentality?
       Also who remembers Shirts v. Skins in PE?
       [/quote]
       I have definite memories of Shirts vs. Skins in PE all the way
       from Jr. High through H.S., Dave! We often did this in team
       formation, but I was not a fan for it.
       My mother had an inviolate rule for the entire house: No bare
       chests at the dining table, even if we were on a picnic. This
       applied to everyone, including my father. The only exception I
       ever recall to this was when we were at the beach and we were
       eating around the beach blanket that was laid out on the sand. I
       got so ingrained with her rule that even today, it is impossible
       for me to eat anything more than a quick snack unless I have on
       a shirt.
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