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       #Post#: 1521--------------------------------------------------
       Re: All of the Family
       By: Journey Date: November 13, 2017, 12:02 pm
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       [quote author=Jack link=topic=166.msg1516#msg1516
       date=1510569735]
       I have added a list of terms to describe how the boys joined my
       family to the initial post.  I will be going back and adding
       these in.  There won't be much detail, since I have discussed it
       all before, and it will be added again  when we rebuild the
       bios.  For now:
       B - biological
       A - Legally Adopted
       AA - Adult Adoption
       F - Foster (through system)
       U - Unofficial
       UP - Unofficially placed with me directly by a parent.
       Biological is fairly self-explanatory.
       Adopted will usually be combined with something else.
       Adult Adoption will also be combined with something else, but
       will differentiate between cases like the twins, where they were
       6 when I adopted them, and Mikell, where is was about 30 when I
       did it.  The Adult Adoption isn't a huge deal, but some of the
       (young men) wanted the relationship formalized, and it does
       protect their families when it comes to my will one day.
       Foster - this is how I gained many of the kids.
       Unofficial - this is mostly for a couple of the older guys, like
       Mike and Greg.
       UP - Unofficial/Parent - this is for parents who placed their
       boys with me.  Some of them ended up staying, some went back
       home, but still stayed part of the family.
       [/quote]
       Oh, I like this a lot! So Tracy/Marcus is more UP, right?
       I'm sad that we lost the thread on Adult Adoption on the old
       Bransom forum. That was one of my favorite anecdotes, esp. the
       part where JD (?) calls you back and asks to be adopted, too, in
       spite of the hassle of changing the papers with the military. (I
       think I got that right. At least it was something like that.)
       #Post#: 1522--------------------------------------------------
       Re: All of the Family
       By: Jack Date: November 13, 2017, 5:03 pm
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       For the record, I removed Christian from the list today.  While
       Christian (and Jake) are good family friends, and while they'll
       be spending some holiday time with us, and while Christian has
       lived here, he was always a friend, never a family member.  Like
       Blake, Christian was only here because they needed time and
       space to work out their family problems.
       #Post#: 1524--------------------------------------------------
       Re: All of the Family
       By: Zyngaru Date: November 13, 2017, 6:21 pm
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       This is getting better and better, every time Jack adds more
       detail.
       Thank You!  Thank You!   Thank You!
       #Post#: 1530--------------------------------------------------
       Re: All of the Family
       By: Jack Date: November 14, 2017, 4:31 am
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       Journey pointed out that I'd used 'UF' in a couple of places.  I
       had really only meant to use it for Zeke, who was brought to me
       by the foster system, but he turned 18 before he could be
       officially placed.  I'm not sure why I'd placed it on Greg as
       well, so I altered that.
       At this point, I think the list is about where I plan to leave
       it, but is there anything anyone else would like to see?
       #Post#: 1536--------------------------------------------------
       Re: All of the Family
       By: Zyngaru Date: November 14, 2017, 10:59 am
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       I notice a lot of F/A.
       So you Foster to Adopt?
       I have a Nephew and Niece that are doing that right now with a
       12 year old.  They have had him since he was 10.  (No Spanking
       Allowed in their state for Foster kids). Supposedly the adoption
       becomes final in December.  It has been a long ugly road for
       them to this point.  Lots of Bureaucracy.  Every time they got
       close to finalizing, the people would change positions and they
       would have to start over with new people.
       It really makes it difficult on their son, because he has no
       security.  They could remove him at anytime, even though no one
       expects that to happen.  But he does have security issues
       because of the way the system treats him.  Everyone involved
       will be happy once this gets finalized.
       #Post#: 1537--------------------------------------------------
       Re: All of the Family
       By: Leti Date: November 14, 2017, 1:07 pm
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       I have a couple of questions,
       
       1.- You mentioned that Mikell changed his name, was that an
       Adult adoption?
       2.- Tommy and Caleb are your bio nephews, Tommy was adopted
       directly, but Caleb was foster first and then adopted?
       Thanks for sharing Jack
       Hugs
       Leti
       #Post#: 1566--------------------------------------------------
       Re: All of the Family
       By: Jack Date: November 16, 2017, 4:57 am
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       I did a bit more rearranging to the first post.
       Mike Guice has never called me dad, though he's been living with
       us during school holidays for years, and he's definitely part of
       the family.  While there are other boys who haven't lived with
       us, there are still several other boys who are really part of
       the family.  I had thought about giving them a separate post,
       but I went back and included them here.
       I finally decided there were 5 of them.  While KC is a bit of an
       anomaly, since he has two parents with whom he still lives while
       not at school, he's been close with us (and me) for years now.
       Of course, at home, it's just him and his parents, so I'm not
       sure if he's so much a part of our family because of the
       brotherhood, or just because he's such a geek.
       I've already talked about Mike in his own bio.
       With the other three boys, who are all in high school, they have
       single mothers, and I've become their go-to father-figure over
       time.  I have no idea why Bruce's mom is still single, but she
       seems happy that way (maybe she's like me and just likes her
       personal space too much).  Chandler's mom is a lesbian, and she
       says that Chandler is a result of literally her only hetero
       experience.  She's actually very happy that I'm willing to let
       him be around her so much, and that I treat him like one of my
       own.  Billy Kadlec is the last of my boys, and the newest.  His
       father passed away three or four years ago.  After a bad first
       impression of her, I've come to rather like his mom.  I get the
       feeling she's not ready to date again, but she knows that Billy
       needs some masculine influence and interaction, and she seems to
       feel the same way that Chandler's mom does.
       #Post#: 1659--------------------------------------------------
       Re: All of the Family
       By: Jack Date: November 20, 2017, 4:11 am
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       [quote author=dthorn1970 link=topic=166.msg1655#msg1655
       date=1511158388]
       Hi Jack,
       I didn't see Zack in there?
       [/quote]
       I assume you're talking about Zack Franklin, who is a close
       friend of Cal.
       You didn't see Zack in this list, because I don't consider Zack
       a son, and I've never really been a father figure to him.  Zack
       is more like Cason Kirk, or Blake Cavanaugh, or Perry Tidwell
       (or even Ennis Strouse) - he's more of a nephew with whom I'm
       very close, and who's lived here before.  In this case, I've
       known Zack pretty much his entire life (since he was months, not
       years old), and I've been friends with his father, Brian, since
       before Zack was born.  The two of them have a good relationship,
       but they had problems for a bit, and they needed space to work
       them out.
       #Post#: 6272--------------------------------------------------
       Re: All of the Family
       By: Leti Date: June 8, 2018, 10:07 am
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       Did you Adopted Steven and Troy as adults or they stay as
       unofficial?
       I have a question about Emmet.  I know he is Marcus, brother in
       Law, and has a living mother, but he calls you dad, would you
       put him on the list or you consider him more like a grandson?
       :-[
       #Post#: 6279--------------------------------------------------
       Re: All of the Family
       By: Jack Date: June 8, 2018, 3:39 pm
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       [quote author=Leti link=topic=166.msg6272#msg6272
       date=1528470461]
       Did you Adopted Steven and Troy as adults or they stay as
       unofficial?[/quote]
       They're unofficial.
       [quote author=Leti link=topic=166.msg6272#msg6272
       date=1528470461]
       I have a question about Emmet.  I know he is Marcus, brother in
       Law, and has a living mother, but he calls you dad, would you
       put him on the list or you consider him more like a grandson?
       [/quote]
       That's a good question, but one that's going to wait for an
       answer.  For now, let's just say that we've been trying to
       figure that out ourselves.
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