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Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: Kat Date: June 1, 2022, 9:28 am
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[quote author=HumbledBareBoy link=topic=1444.msg24843#msg24843
date=1654093407]
[quote author=Kat link=topic=1444.msg24834#msg24834
date=1654065604]
I can't think of a writer on MMSA who gives more attention to
stages of undressing than Plagosus, with distinctions between
simply baring the bottom and taking one's pants/trousers/shorts
right down or off.
[/quote]
I fully believe you, of course, because Plagosus is awesome!
However, to stroke my own ego for a bit, I will have the masses
know that I can perform respectably enough in that realm of
writing, as well... [emoji38] [emoji48]
[/quote]
I've no doubt of that, HBB! Jack, who started the thread, is
also a master in this regard.
Kat
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The Undress-ER: The Boy v. Someone Else
By: HumbledBareBoy Date: June 1, 2022, 9:39 am
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[quote author=Kat link=topic=1444.msg24844#msg24844
date=1654093731]I've no doubt of that, HBB! Jack, who started
the thread, is also a master in this regard.[/quote]
Oh, yes, and it's so lovely to be able to interact and converse
with such talented fellow authors! :D
One "sub-topic" that occurs to me, all of a sudden, is the
question of who is performing the actual clothing removal:
[list type=decimal]
[li]The boy himself -- whether it be (relatively) cooperative,
willingly but reluctantly, or outright willingly, save for some
element of coercion or duress[/li]
[li]Someone else -- usually, but perhaps not always, the spanker
him/herself -- and the question of whether this option is more
"authoritative"...or less so[/li]
[/list]
And it's fun to explore the various "configurations":
Differences/similarities between the previous two, the general
question of how undressed, who else is around as spectators
and/or participants, different genders and ages, etc.
#Post#: 24846--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Undress-ER: The Boy v. Someone Else
By: Kat Date: June 1, 2022, 9:46 am
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[quote author=HumbledBareBoy link=topic=1444.msg24845#msg24845
date=1654094347]
[quote author=Kat link=topic=1444.msg24844#msg24844
date=1654093731]I've no doubt of that, HBB! Jack, who started
the thread, is also a master in this regard.[/quote]
Oh, yes, and it's so lovely to be able to interact and converse
with such talented fellow authors! :D
One "sub-topic" that occurs to me, all of a sudden, is the
question of who is performing the actual clothing removal:
[list type=decimal]
[li]The boy himself -- whether it be (relatively) cooperative,
willingly but reluctantly, or outright willingly, save for some
element of coercion or duress[/li]
[li]Someone else -- usually, but perhaps not always, the spanker
him/herself -- and the question of whether this option is more
"authoritative"...or less so[/li]
[/list]
And it's fun to explore the various "configurations":
Differences/similarities between the previous two, the general
question of how undressed, who else is around as spectators
and/or participants, different genders and ages, etc.
[/quote]
I'd say there is a definite psychological element to who does
the undressing. If the boy does it himself, it can signal either
active cooperation or grudging, coerced cooperation. In either
case, it makes the boy a participant in the ritual.
If an authority figure does the undressing, it can be a way of
asserting dominance or causing humiliation. It can also be
merciful, as it relieves the spankee from the stress of
participation. With an older spankee, it can, perhaps, evoke a
sense of regression to a time when he relied on others to dress
and undress him. I can see it being a comforting element for
some spankees and an infuriating element for others.
Kat
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Re: The Undress-ER: The Boy v. Someone Else
By: HumbledBareBoy Date: June 1, 2022, 10:07 am
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[quote author=Kat link=topic=1444.msg24846#msg24846
date=1654094777]I'd say there is a definite psychological
element to who does the undressing. If the boy does it himself,
it can signal either active cooperation or grudging, coerced
cooperation. In either case, it makes the boy a participant in
the ritual.
[hr]
If an authority figure does the undressing, it can be a way of
asserting dominance or causing humiliation. It can also be
merciful, as it relieves the spankee from the stress of
participation.
[hr]
I can see it being a comforting element for some spankees and an
infuriating element for others.[/quote]
Also, in my mind, the gender of the authority figure in
question... :o ...something of which I have become ever more
cognizant, thanks to my acquaintance with one lovely Brian's
Sister! :) Reading her work, communicating with her, and even
collaborating... ;D
In spite of my gayness and predominant "M/m" affinity, I find
myself more and more intrigued by the various "F/m"
possibilities to be read and/or written about! Starting with
the commonality of a viewing female authority figure present,
such as Mom...
[list type=upper-alpha]
[li]Boy undresses himself:
[list type=decimal]
[li]On Dad's orders[/li]
[li]On Mom's orders[/li]
[/list]
[hr][/li]
[li][hr]Boy undressed by another:
[list type=decimal]
[li]Dad takes boy's clothes off[/li]
[li]Mom takes boy's clothes off[/li]
[/list]
[/li]
[/list]
Which of course features further variations in boy's reaction,
on account of his age, maturity, physical development, etc. at
the time! ;)
#Post#: 24848--------------------------------------------------
Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: Kat Date: June 1, 2022, 10:29 am
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[quote]In spite of my gayness and predominant "M/m" affinity, I
find myself more and more intrigued by the various "F/m"
possibilities to be read and/or written about! Starting with
the commonality of a viewing female authority figure present,
such as Mom...[/quote]
Despite the cliché of "What until your father gets home", I'd
estimate at least 80% of the spankings from my childhood
involved a woman as spanker. It has given me a lifelong distaste
for that F icon. So many mothers and women teachers just seemed
disrespectful and reactive. Plenty of fathers and male teachers
were jerks, too, but men were much more likely in my experience
to be the sort of disciplinarians that populate my WHASS
fantasies. I should say, though, that these women often bore the
brunt of child rearing duties, so it's not surprising their
tempers frayed. It's probably easier to be fair and calm if you
haven't spent your entire day watching a bunch of little
horrors. :P
I do think there is a large audience, though, for your ideas,
and Brian's Sister has a huge fan base for her (or his or their)
consistently well written F stories. Female spankers and
witnesses can raise the humiliation factor several orders of
magnitude.
Kat
#Post#: 24850--------------------------------------------------
Dedicated Spanking Garment
By: HumbledBareBoy Date: June 1, 2022, 12:01 pm
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[quote author=Zyngaru link=topic=1444.msg14585#msg14585
date=1566519837]
Remember the trap door long john underwear? Cut the sleeves off
at the elbows and the legs off at the knees and you basically
have the old fashioned bathing suits but with a trap door to
gain access to a boys bottom. It would provide privacy, but
also give access for a bare butt spanking. It would also be a
special piece of clothing that would ONLY be used for spankings,
thus it would have it's own place in the boys wardrobe.
[/quote]
I do indeed love the idea of "specialty" clothing designed to
cover much of the body while strategically exposing private
areas below the waist -- in the back, in the front, best of all,
both! Personally, I find myself exceptionally fond and adoring
of a sleeveless, tight-fitting garment that ends around
mid-thigh -- such as a wrestling singlet or "surf suit" with an
open front and back! See links for visual references (warning:
NSFW!):
[spoiler][list type=decimal]
[li]
HTML https://secure.leatherwerks.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=ST-14285[/li]
[li]
HTML https://www.mr-s-leather.com/rubber-open-crotch-surf-suit[/li]
[li]
HTML https://jocksbyrj.com/open-back-wrestling-singlet/[/li]
[/list][/spoiler]
[right]NOTE: This is something I actually ended up using, in
three distinct variations, in my "Halloween 2021" story at
MMSA...[/right]
[hr]Both your "trap-door long johns" and my "open-exposed
singlets" have lots of potential, I think, as an alternative to
simple nudity in a story... [emoji41]
#Post#: 24851--------------------------------------------------
Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: Zyngaru Date: June 1, 2022, 12:15 pm
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There is so much to say on this topic. So many nuances to the
subject. Let's give it a go. Why not.
I once heard that to humiliate people is to force them to be
naked. Even nudists will be humiliated when forced to go naked.
It has also been said that the way you force nudity and gain
the greatest effect from it is different between males and
females.
For females you or someone else strips them to gain the greatest
humiliation. It's because clothing is a form of security for
females and physically removing their clothes while they can't
do anything to stop you, destroys their security which is
devastating for females.
Males on the other hand is the opposite. Males are all about
self-control and inward power over themselves. It's about their
outward projection of that power. You can beat me, you can
starve me, you can humiliate me, but you can't break me, because
my strength is inner strength. So, with males, you force them
to strip themselves. You make them break themselves. It's not
even about being seen naked, it is about who has the power.
When a male has to do something against their own wishes, it
means someone has taken their power away from them and they are
now in the control of another. So, with males to break them,
you use mind games. You take their self-assurance away from
the. You make them do it to themselves. You make them
surrender their authority to yours. So, with males you make
them strip naked, if your goal is to break them.
Now it has also been said and I believe it to be true, that
partial nudity is more embarrassing than full nudity. Being a
nudist, I go to n u d e recreation parks and campgrounds on
occasion. Being fully naked at these events is perfectly
comfortable for me. It's that short time period when getting
undressed that feels awkward. It's the removing of clothing,
when part of you is covered and the other part of you is naked
that can be embarrassing.
So having a boy naked except for his tee shirt can be more
embarrassing to him than fully naked. I have been told that if
you let him keep his socks on also, it is even more
embarrassing. For him, it's like he is dressed, with his
private parts sticking out on display.
Now, everyone here knows I strip my boys totally naked. Being a
nudist of course they are going to be naked. Sometimes I let
them strip off their clothing and sometimes I, the spanker strip
them off. Now, I see this difference as being subtle but
important, on if they strip off or I do it for them. It depends
on if I the spanker am exerting my control over them, but making
them strip off, or if I am being nurturing by coaxing them out
of their clothing with me stripping them. One is, "You deserve
your ass beat, and I'm the one going to do it." The other is,
"Son, you made a mistake and you know you deserve punished for
it, but I still love you very much."
So, yes, the stripping process is very important for the mood of
the scene. What atmosphere do you wish to convey? Loving and
nurturing, or authoritative and punishmental.
Just a few thoughts.
Now do I follow my own descriptions in my stories? Not always.
Because even with these simple rules or observations, every boy
is different and every situation is different. So there are no
hard fast rules about any of this.
I do believe in most cases it's not the nudity that is
humiliating for the boy, no matter how modest he is, it is the
situation he has to be ****. He is being spanked. That is
grossly humiliating. If it is done in front of friends, it
won't matter to him if his is naked or not. He is being
spanked, in front of his friends. His self-image is being
destroyed in front of his friends. That's what is humiliating
for him. He will have to face his friends after they watched
him getting a spanking. Now, his friends are going to enjoy
seeing him naked and watching his ass turn red and if he has a
little meat on his ass, watch it jiggle as it gets whacked.
They will tease him about it afterward. But again, it isn't the
nudity it is the fact they saw it happen.
So, in our stories, why do we even have a boy get naked, fully
or partially, for a spanking? I do it, because I like nudity.
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Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: HumbledBareBoy Date: June 1, 2022, 2:20 pm
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[quote author=Zyngaru link=topic=1444.msg24851#msg24851
date=1654103703]
Now it has also been said and I believe it to be true, that
partial nudity is more embarrassing than full nudity.
It's the removing of clothing, when part of you is covered and
the other part of you is naked that can be embarrassing.
[hr]
So having a boy naked except for his tee shirt can be more
embarrassing to him than fully naked. I have been told that if
you let him keep his socks on also, it is even more
embarrassing.[/quote]
In that event, I would guess that it also depends on how the boy
feels about bare-chestedness, something to which my boyhood self
was very, very averse! LOL
[quote]For him, it's like he is dressed, with his private parts
sticking out on display.[/quote]
Ohhhh...kinda of like I inflicted on poor, young Toby -- last
year in October, for my Halloween story! [emoji33][emoji12]
[quote]Now, everyone here knows I strip my boys totally
naked.[/quote]
For which you 110% have my eternal gratitude! :D
[quote]Being a nudist of course they are going to be naked.
Sometimes I let them strip off their clothing and sometimes I,
the spanker strip them off. Now, I see this difference as being
subtle but important, on if they strip off or I do it for them.
It depends on if I the spanker am exerting my control over them,
but making them strip off, or if I am being nurturing by coaxing
them out of their clothing with me stripping them. [/quote]
Yeah, and either can be quite controlling and domineering,
depending on the execution, too -- which is usually the
mood/theme that I like to go for! On the other hand, you may
remember my "Brendan" story from the winter holidays, where the
Dad undressed his son as a nurturing and comforting gesture
towards the boy! [emoji7]
[quote]So, yes, the stripping process is very important for the
mood of the scene. What atmosphere do you wish to convey?
Loving and nurturing, or authoritative and punishmental.[/quote]
Or as is frequently the case for me, personally, both of those
at the same time... :P Like I endeavor to do in my "Birthday"
series, where the day-long nudity is intended to have positive
psycho-emotional benefits for the boy:
[right][quote]The boy would remain in his "birthday suit" for
the rest of the day, until bedtime. His parents strongly
believed this state of full exposure offered deep personal value
to the birthday boy, something to do with "revisiting innocence"
and "dissolving barriers", or whatever.[/quote][/right]
[hr]
On the other hand, the birthday boy is emphatically not allowed
any choice in the matter:
[right][quote]"Son, we’re trying to be gentle about this, but
you’re going to have to obey, either way. Either you do as we
say and take off your clothes now, or they’re going to be taken
off of you, and you’ll get a spanking up here, right
now!"[/quote][/right]
[hr]
[hr]
[hr]
[quote]I do believe in most cases it's not the nudity that is
humiliating for the boy, no matter how modest he is, it is the
situation he has to be ****. He is being spanked. That is
grossly humiliating. If it is done in front of friends, it
won't matter to him if his is naked or not. He is being
spanked, in front of his friends. His self-image is being
destroyed in front of his friends. That's what is humiliating
for him.
[hr]
But again, it isn't the nudity it is the fact they saw it
happen.[/quote]
Yah, I could see how that might be the case for a great many
boys, perhaps especially in past decades and generations. For
me, personally, though, any kind of exposure -- nudity,
bare-chestedness, or even a pair of shorts -- was inherently
unpleasant, disagreeable, and often downright distressing and
traumatizing for me! For me, the mere fact of there being an
uninterrupted, unobstructed line of vision between their eyes
and my bare skin was, in and of itself, upsetting on its
own...[emoji24]
And in the present-day, I have a massive "forced nudity +
humiliation" fetish...like, holy shit! ;D
[quote]So, in our stories, why do we even have a boy get naked,
fully or partially, for a spanking? I do it, because I like
nudity. [/quote]
Very good point, though I would also raise the question of, "If
one 'likes' nudity, then in what specific sense?" For example,
you and I clearly both like it -- nay, love it! -- but I suspect
we appreciate it in very distinct ways, too! I know you've
previously mentioned prioritizing emotional content,
specifically, that being of huge importance to you, in your own
enjoyment of stories...and I, too, can certainly appreciate that
aspect as well! [emoji7]
However, my own priorities and motivations are far more "carnal"
at their core, and tend to involve [spoiler]me operating the
laptop with only one hand! [emoji38] [emoji48] If ya catch my
drift... :P[/spoiler] -- so when I'm navigating the MMSA story
collection with my left hand on the mouse, even though I'm
actually right-handed, I'm doing so in the hopes of finding a
story with full-undress for the spanking. ;) Which, of course,
is why I was so grateful when MMSA implemented the "purple
eyeball" icon! :D As well as why your writing is such an
invaluable treasure to me... [emoji5]
In fact, probably my primary motivation for starting up writing
for MMSA was precisely so that I could ensure that, when it
comes time for that spanking, every last stitch is gonna come
right off! LOL Every last square inch of skin uncovered... :D
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Re: The Undress-ER: The Boy v. Someone Else
By: Jack Date: June 1, 2022, 5:05 pm
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[quote author=Kat link=topic=1444.msg24846#msg24846
date=1654094777]
I'd say there is a definite psychological element to who does
the undressing. If the boy does it himself, it can signal either
active cooperation or grudging, coerced cooperation. In either
case, it makes the boy a participant in the ritual.
If an authority figure does the undressing, it can be a way of
asserting dominance or causing humiliation. It can also be
merciful, as it relieves the spankee from the stress of
participation. With an older spankee, it can, perhaps, evoke a
sense of regression to a time when he relied on others to dress
and undress him. I can see it being a comforting element for
some spankees and an infuriating element for others.
[/quote]
To me, I think a lot of this depends on the age/maturity of the
spankee. With younger boys, doing it for them relieves them of
the stress of preparing themselves. With older boys, it allows
them more control. Of course, like anything, I'm sure there are
exceptions.
#Post#: 25004--------------------------------------------------
Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: SpankedBoy1950 Date: June 23, 2022, 10:44 am
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I have been in my pyjamas as a child and had them pulled down to
ensure I had the full effect of the spanking.
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