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On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: Jack Date: August 22, 2019, 2:57 pm
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I originally started the On Spanking posts to discuss issues as
they relate to spanking stories, though most of that also
reflects real life.
A long time ago, for a number of reasons, I decided there were
nine... let's call them 'degrees of undress' for lack of a
better term.
1) dressed
2) pants down
3) pants off
4) stripped to underwear
5) pants and underwear down
6) pants off, underwear down
7) pants and underwear off
8) stripped to underwear, underwear down
9) naked
That seems pretty complete, but I'd swear it was actually
supposed to be 10. I just can't think what else goes there.
However, I've also seen an article about it that went into a
deeper breakdown that I did. I was originally going to post
pages from a spanking magazine article, but they come across as
HUGE, and I'm not sure how to reduce them to post here, so I'm
going to post links to where they're hosted on my site.
The following images are originally from Bottom Line Magazine
and are used with the current owners permission. Art by Magnus
3D. All rights reserved.
HTML https://bransomtx.com/10-10-11.jpg
and
HTML https://bransomtx.com/10-12-13.jpg
To sum up, however, this article goes with the same 9 basic
degrees I had, but they also add variations, by pointing out
that underwear can be 'wedged' to bare the cheeks, and that
pants and/or underpants can be lowered just below the cheeks, to
the knees, or to the ankles. While each of those does have
different effects, it seems excessive detail to me.
HOWEVER there are also other questions when it comes to dress
(and not just which type of underwear or if the boy is in a
school uniform or not).
One of the first stories I ever read that included spanking was
an excerpt from City Boy by Herman Wouk, which we read in my 8th
grade literature class. In it, the title character was told he
was going to be spanked and sent to change into his pajamas
first. That confused me a bit at the time since most of the
boys I knew were either spanked bare of fully dressed. It was
only later that I realized, first, the book was written in 1948,
and second, that a pair of summer pajamas would protect modesty,
but not so much a bottom.
In my own story, Wrestling With Wregret, I had a boy at a
wrestling tournament when a problem came arose.
I'm continually surprised at some of the things people have as
fetishes. As a spank-fiction writer, I sometimes try to use
these things and sometimes just stumble over them (I was once
contacted by someone who was fascinated/aroused by tan lines).
With that in mind, one thing that might add interest to a story
is a sports uniform, or even something like a Scout uniform or
even just dress clothes. While a school uniform isn't much
different (in written form) than normal street clothes, and my
kids day to day play wear (in warm weather, at least) is very
similar to a soccer uniform, there are things that are somewhat
to extremely different when it comes to preparing a boy from
punishment - whether it's a cummerbund and bowtie with a tuxedo,
or the extra padding with a football uniform, or the tighter
pants and extra elastic with a baseball uniform, or a singlet
like in wrestling.
While I doubt any of those things are worth writing a story by
themselves, any of them might add a bit of spice when writing an
otherwise more or less traditional story.
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Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: Kat Date: August 22, 2019, 5:35 pm
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Having someone change into pajamas or PE shorts or any other
garment designed to protect privacy but minimize protection is
an interesting sidebar to the stages of undress. Another
possibility about changing into pajamas is that it would
facilitate baring the bottom if the chastiser desired. I've seen
numerous stories in which an authority figures requires a child
to change into a particular garment before a spanking. I've
never known anyone personally who had to, but perhaps such a
practice is more common than I'd have thought based on personal
experience.
Another peripheral issue to baring is its purpose. It seems to
me there are three possibilities, which are not mutually
exclusive:
1. To maximize pain
2. To cause embarrassment or humiliation
3. To expose the effects that are occurring to avoid excessive
damage
Kat
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Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: Zyngaru Date: August 22, 2019, 7:23 pm
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While I was reading both Jacks and Kats posts I thought of a
piece of clothing, although I have never read a story with it or
heard of anyone being spanked wearing it, it just seemed ideal
for a spanking garment.
Remember the trap door long john underwear? Cut the sleeves off
at the elbows and the legs off at the knees and you basically
have the old fashioned bathing suits but with a trap door to
gain access to a boys bottom. It would provide privacy, but
also give access for a bare butt spanking. It would also be a
special piece of clothing that would ONLY be used for spankings,
thus it would have it's own place in the boys wardrobe.
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Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: Jack Date: August 23, 2019, 5:04 pm
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[quote author=Kat link=topic=1444.msg14582#msg14582
date=1566513333]
Another peripheral issue to baring is its purpose. It seems to
me there are three possibilities, which are not mutually
exclusive:
1. To maximize pain
2. To cause embarrassment or humiliation
3. To expose the effects that are occurring to avoid excessive
damage
Kat
[/quote]
I have always felt your first and third reasons are the main
ones. I do think embarrassment is part of a spanking, but not a
goal of a spanking. That is to say, pretty much anyone who has
gotten into enough trouble to earn a spanking should be
embarrassed, and being bared and put into position to be spanked
should be embarrassing, but I think actively seeking to enhance
it isn't required (I also don't think that a huge effort needs
to be made to avoid it either, though that's certainly
arguable).
However, I do think there is another reason or two.
1) Baring the bottom - whether done by the parents or child - is
a sign of submission. I know that's not a popular term these
days, but children are supposed to submit to their parents will,
both because parents are responsible for them, and because
parents have more experience/knowledge.
2) Ritual. Preparing a child can be an integral part of the
process, which gives time for the parent to calm down if needed,
and which helps set the mood and make sure everyone is on the
same page.
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Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: Plagosus Date: August 25, 2019, 3:40 pm
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Characters in my stories have considered the various
permutations available when it comes to the degress of undress
for spanking. They have also considered the reasons for spanking
bare. Many of the reasons offered are excuses for the reason not
mentioned: they like spanking bare!
As to the reasons for spanking bare the one I want to home in on
is "submission", though not quĦte in the sense that Jack uses
it. I think that the reason for spanking bare is much the same
as the reason for spanking at all. It may be that in the remote
past the presentation of the buttocks was a submissive gesture
designed to avoid conflict.
Whatever, I am inclined to think that the bareness of buttocks
is in fact enhanced by retaining some clothing. An absolute
classic case of clothes at the extremities enhancing nakedness
is Donatello's David:
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Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: squarecutter Date: January 23, 2020, 2:11 pm
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Jack
Sorry to come on this one so late
one very small observation would be that tratitional grey school
shorts as I wore in the UK up to the age of 11 were at one time
made of quite thick wool and later more synthetic materials
were used. In my time they were usually somewhat thicker than
casual summer wear and sports shorts. To compensate for the
extra protection afforded they were also rather more tight
fitting!
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Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: Kat Date: June 1, 2022, 1:40 am
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Since HBB drew attention to this thread, I'll add a post.
I can't think of a writer on MMSA who gives more attention to
stages of undressing than Plagosus, with distinctions between
simply baring the bottom and taking one's pants/trousers/shorts
right down or off.
Kat
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Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: Plagosus Date: June 1, 2022, 3:33 am
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[quote author=Kat link=topic=1444.msg24834#msg24834
date=1654065604]
...with distinctions between simply baring the bottom and taking
one's pants/trousers/shorts right down or off.[/quote]
...not to mention the adjustment of the upper garments.
#Post#: 24842--------------------------------------------------
Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: Kat Date: June 1, 2022, 9:22 am
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[quote author=Plagosus link=topic=1444.msg24839#msg24839
date=1654072416]
[quote author=Kat link=topic=1444.msg24834#msg24834
date=1654065604]
...with distinctions between simply baring the bottom and taking
one's pants/trousers/shorts right down or off.[/quote]
...not to mention the adjustment of the upper garments.
[/quote]
Yes, I was remiss in not mentioning that. It adds a lot to the
ritual. For many readers, the baring and positioning seem to be
at least as hot as the actual cp.
Kat
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Re: On Spanking: Stages of (un)Dress
By: HumbledBareBoy Date: June 1, 2022, 9:23 am
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[quote author=Kat link=topic=1444.msg24834#msg24834
date=1654065604]
I can't think of a writer on MMSA who gives more attention to
stages of undressing than Plagosus, with distinctions between
simply baring the bottom and taking one's pants/trousers/shorts
right down or off.
[/quote]
I fully believe you, of course, because Plagosus is awesome!
However, to stroke my own ego for a bit, I will have the masses
know that I can perform respectably enough in that realm of
writing, as well... [emoji38] [emoji48]
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