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King Family - Larry (Dad), Diane (Mom), Kyle (10), Kieth (8), an
d Cody (7)
By: Jack Date: October 25, 2017, 4:40 pm
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I mentioned that I had inherited a Webelo troop, most of whom
attend BCA. Kyle King is one of those boys and definitely one
worth mentioning.
I like both the parents. Larry is an engineer of some type, and
is in charge of maintenance at one of the industrial plants just
outside of town (which is part of the reason Bransom ISD has
such a nice tax base). They produce big machinery, and part of
his job is upkeep on the big machinery that makes the big
machinery.
Diane is a principal of sorts. They attend a big mega-church,
which has a pre-school program, and an afternoon program for
school age kids. They and BCA work together on some programs to
keep from overlapping. While they don't use CP there, there
have been a few of the older, problem kids who've received CP in
her office. It's amazing how serious some parents get when they
find out that they're at risk of losing several hundred dollars
in non-refundable tuition, because their kids can't behave.
Anyway, the boys aren't anything special, looks-wise, and I mean
that literally. They have medium brown hair and blue eyes.
Cody and Kieth both wear their hair pretty short - a bit
spiky/bedhead for Kieth, and just a basic bowl cut for Cody.
Kyle wears his a bit longer, with a side part and bangs and a
fade.
The boys same like they're pretty much average size as well.
Cody and is about 4'1" and 50ish pounds, while Kieth is about 2
inches taller and maybe 5 pounds heavier. I think Kyle is maybe
4'7" and 75 pounds. All three of them have a pretty average
build for active boys - lean, solid, but not defined and with no
hips, but what look to be pretty nice bottoms (they're all
pretty shy or modest).
All three of the boys are Scouts now. Kieth and Cody are also
soccer players. Kyle has played in the past, but he started
guitar lessons over the summer, and he decided not to play
soccer, so he'd have time to take his lessons and do Scouts.
Kyle is friends with Kline. While there is a slight age
difference in the other boys, Kyle and Kline have regular play
dates, and their younger brothers got to know each other that
way, so they're all friends.
The reason I decided to start with the King Family (instead of
one of the other Webelo families) is that I do see Kyle outside
of Scouts, and I do know they get spanked. The thing is, both
parents have and use a system with all three boys. I have not
had an explanation of the system. What I know is put together
from things that I've heard from one source or another. The
system seems to become a bit more complex as you get older, I
think, which makes reconciling some of the details harder.
The basic thing is that they apparently have most 'errors' (or
whatever you want to call them) divided into three classes. One
is just warning stuff - usually a time out. Two is for hand
spankings, and three is for paddlings. Kyle has jokingly
admitted that there is also a four, but Dad (at least half
jokingly) suggests the only person who ever got in that much
trouble was Kyle's older brother. ("But I don't have an older
brother, Dad" "Well, not anymore you don't!"). When you get in
trouble, you put a mark on your calendar. I know repeated
warnings for the same thing can earn a spanking, but I'm not
sure how. Moreover, if you get spanked on your briefs, then you
have to go X days (one for each year old you are) without
getting in trouble, or your next spanking is bare. There is
more after that, but those are the details that I'm still
unclear on.
The only other thing I know for sure is that Kyle has had three
spankings since Marcus' kids moved, and only one of those was
bare. I only know that much because I overheard Kyle and Kline
talking, and Kline was complaining a bit about having to get
used to the way things had changed with Marcus around, and how
he'd gotten in more trouble because of all the changes. At that
point, Kyle confessed to his own sore bottoms, though the two
shared a moment of Schadenfreude, because Kyle's little brothers
had been in more trouble than he had.
So that's about it for now. I like the parents. I know the
Church they attend. While I disagree with them on a number of
issues doctrinally, they're fairly liberal (which is a good
thing these days). We haven't had a chance yet, but they would
love to sit down and play Risk one night with me and some of the
older kids, or even older parents. The kids are all nice and
well behaved, and it's fun having them around so far.
#Post#: 1128--------------------------------------------------
Re: King Family - Larry (Dad), Diane (Mom), Kyle (10), Kieth (8)
, and Cody (7)
By: db105 Date: October 26, 2017, 5:34 pm
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Asking from ignorance. A mega-church is just a regular church
with many churchgoers, right? So I guess they have a large
building. But does it involve tight social relationships or do
most people just go to church and barely know each other?
#Post#: 1130--------------------------------------------------
Re: King Family - Larry (Dad), Diane (Mom), Kyle (10), Kieth (8)
, and Cody (7)
By: Jack Date: October 26, 2017, 5:42 pm
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[quote author=db105 link=topic=129.msg1128#msg1128
date=1509057290]
Asking from ignorance. A mega-church is just a regular church
with many churchgoers, right? So I guess they have a large
building. But does it involve tight social relationships or do
most people just go to church and barely know each other?
[/quote]
David M Katz: Don't you attend one of these churches? I never
have, so I can't really answer.
#Post#: 3101--------------------------------------------------
Re: King Family - Larry (Dad), Diane (Mom), Kyle (10), Kieth (8)
, and Cody (7)
By: Jack Date: January 21, 2018, 5:23 pm
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Kieth and Cody were guests at Curtis birthday this weekend.
They didn't get to spend the night Friday, but they did come for
the movie and had a good time, then came back Saturday.
While Kieth and Cody were originally kind of friends with Paden,
the wider ages around my house have made them fairly regular
guests. Their parents are also guests. We ended up including
them at the tribal party this year, and they've visited a couple
of times on expanded board game nights. It turns out that Larry
is an old time board gamer, and he loves a lot of strategy and
tactics types games, including Risk.
#Post#: 6185--------------------------------------------------
Re: King Family - Larry (Dad), Diane (Mom), Kyle (11), Kieth (9)
, and Cody (8)
By: Jack Date: June 4, 2018, 3:08 am
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I spoke with Diane for a while yesterday.
In the past, the boys have been involved with the summer program
she runs through the church they attend. This year, all three
boys are active in Scouts and members of troops or dens that
will remain active over the summer vacation.
We talked because it would be hard for she or Larry to drop the
kids off mid-day, but also because I have to be at school this
morning, and so do Chris and Marcus. Jerry Dugan, who's a
college professor and free right now, is going to be hanging out
here while I'm at work, to help the college boys moderate
things. Moreover, while PJ and Daniel both have to work, Ryan
decided to take a day off to help with the kids.
While Diane doesn't know any of those people well, she had been
only slightly uncomfortable with my college boys being in
charge, so with a couple of adults around she knew I trusted,
she decided they'll be dropping their boys off this morning.
It's unfortunate for us, but Larry and Diane are more reticent
to discuss discipline than many parents with whom I'm friends.
On the other hand, Diane did mention, while we were talking
yesterday, that Kyle has been getting 'too big for his
britches', and has been in trouble several times over the last
month or so. She said it partly as warning (while assuring me
that Keith and Cody have been slightly better behaved than
normal over the same period), but mostly as a lead in to
discussing how I control the mess, and what kind of expectations
I had on boundaries, time limits, and permission to leave.
For various reasons, including my health and my new, busier
schedule, as well as the fact that they haven't really turned up
in forum-worthy detail, I haven't introduced a lot of the
Webelos who I picked up last fall, or the younger kids who are
sometimes guests for Connor and Curtis or the grands. On the
other hand, I'm expecting a full yard and pool today, and I'll
leave it up to you to imagine how many times the above
conversation was repeated with various other families.
#Post#: 6494--------------------------------------------------
Re: King Family - Larry (Dad), Diane (Mom), Kyle (10), Kieth (8)
, and Cody (7)
By: Jack Date: June 19, 2018, 4:00 am
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The King Family were around the house yesterday when I got home.
Jerry Reeves (who is our head Scoutmaster) took off yesterday
(he normally runs the Saturday meetings), since I couldn't be
there. With my boys who didn't make the camp drop off, the
Scouts still met. When I got home, the meetings were still
going on, so I stepped in and helped with everything. Since
Chandler and Billy are both at camp, I mostly worked with our
Tenderfoot Boy Scouts.
Kyle is one of my Tenderfoots right now, and I could tell there
was something wrong with him, so I made time to talk with him
when the meetings started breaking up. it turns out that things
have been a bit rough on him the past few weeks, and he was
happy to have someone (a sympathetic adult) with whom he could
discuss it.
Kyle got a pretty hard spanking the week school released - 30
May (the date will be a bit important later). The thing is,
instead of something really horrible, it sounds like he had one
of those days when he was caught out on several more or less
minor things at the same time - not doing his chores when he was
supposed to, coming home late, leaving his bike in the drive way
instead of putting it up, and at least a couple of those were
fairly recent repeats.
He said he knew he was in 'real trouble' when, instead of his
dad coming to his room to spank him after he'd been sent there,
he was called back into the living room and both parents had a
meeting with him. Spankings in his family are normally hand on
underpants from what I can tell, but, because it was several
offenses, and he already had warnings on a couple of them, his
parents had agreed he needed more - and he got the paddle on his
bare bottom.
I'm sure that was no fun for him, but it wasn't the real
problem. The problem is that, after you get spanked in his
family, you have to stay out of trouble for a number of days
equal to your age, which meant until a week ago Sunday for him.
Well, on the 9th, the day before he got finished, he got in
trouble with both of his brothers for not minding when they'd
been playing and were told to get their chores done before they
started another game. For his little brothers, it was hand on
shorts, but he still got spanked bare, which also reset his days
from 6/10 to 6/20. Last week, he left his bike out again. He
didn't get spanked for it, but it did reset his days again, so
now if he gets in trouble before next Sunday, it'll be
automatically bare.
Then came what he considered the worst.
Sunday evening, after his little brothers had gone to bed, his
parents sat down to talk with him. They apparently talked to
him about several things, basically how adolescence is
approaching, and how more will be expected of him, but how he'll
also have more freedom, and how he'll be expected to treat his
little brothers while they're still little boys, and he isn't.
And then they gave him a new paddle.
It's a ping pong paddle, but one side is wood. That's not too
horrible. Except he's used to getting spanked with a 9" flyback
paddle, so this is much larger and apparently a bit thicker
and/or heavier.
That sounds like the only specific change that was made. They
weren't threatening him or complaining about his behavior, as a
matter of fact, he said they pointed out a number of the good
things he does, and the only 'bad' thing they mentioned was
picking up after himself - and they talked about him losing
stuff when he did that, not getting spanked for it. They also
weren't specific about any benefits of this, which probably
would have made the new paddle go down easier....
I think he's mostly worried about getting in trouble before this
weekend and getting his first taste of the new paddle on his
bare bottom, but mostly I think he was just unhappy about
thinking his spankings were going to be getting harder, and he
wanted someone to whom he could vent.
#Post#: 6498--------------------------------------------------
Re: King Family - Larry (Dad), Diane (Mom), Kyle (10), Kieth (8)
, and Cody (7)
By: kalico Date: June 19, 2018, 8:13 am
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Aww hugs kiddo .....hope he makes it!
Hugs kal
#Post#: 6501--------------------------------------------------
Re: King Family - Larry (Dad), Diane (Mom), Kyle (10), Kieth (8)
, and Cody (7)
By: Zyngaru Date: June 19, 2018, 11:31 am
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=129.msg6494#msg6494
date=1529398818]
I think he's mostly worried about getting in trouble before this
weekend and getting his first taste of the new paddle on his
bare bottom, but mostly I think he was just unhappy about
thinking his spankings were going to be getting harder, and he
wanted someone to whom he could vent.
[/quote]
Jack. Has anyone told you just how awesome you are, lately?
A 10 year old, both respects and trusts you enough to pour out
his soul to you. He told you about his spankings and even
having to take them bare. He was able to vent to you and you
listened to him. Even though you spank more boys on a regular
basis than anyone I have ever known, Kyle was willing to open up
to you.
You are more special of a person than you take credit for.
#Post#: 6504--------------------------------------------------
Re: King Family - Larry (Dad), Diane (Mom), Kyle (10), Kieth (8)
, and Cody (7)
By: Jack Date: June 19, 2018, 12:09 pm
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Thank you, Zyngaru, but it's not like Kyle just ran up and
started pouring all this out. Remember, he's been in the Webelo
troop I've been running since last summer, and I worked with him
and the other boys in the troop for a while. He and I have been
friendly most of that time, and he's friends with Kline and
Adam, so there is a lot of relationship there. What it really
comes down to is that I take the time and patience to listen to
them on other stuff, so they know they can talk to me when they
want to discuss something like this.
And let's be honest - they know I spank, so they don't have to
be as embarrassed about it as they might be with other people.
#Post#: 6505--------------------------------------------------
Re: King Family - Larry (Dad), Diane (Mom), Kyle (10), Kieth (8)
, and Cody (7)
By: Zyngaru Date: June 19, 2018, 1:36 pm
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[quote author=Jack link=topic=129.msg6504#msg6504
date=1529428194]
Thank you, Zyngaru, but it's not like Kyle just ran up and
started pouring all this out. Remember, he's been in the Webelo
troop I've been running since last summer, and I worked with him
and the other boys in the troop for a while. He and I have been
friendly most of that time, and he's friends with Kline and
Adam, so there is a lot of relationship there. What it really
comes down to is that I take the time and patience to listen to
them on other stuff, so they know they can talk to me when they
want to discuss something like this.
And let's be honest - they know I spank, so they don't have to
be as embarrassed about it as they might be with other people.
[/quote]
Jack. I knew you would down play it. It is who you are. That
is one of the reasons I like you.
But being honest. Boys don't just talk to adults about personal
things, just because they know them and have a social
relationship with them.
Some adults have a certain something about them. I can't define
it but it exists. You have that something. Boys are relaxed
around you. They are comfortable around you.
Some would say any adult who listens to kids will have that
something. Not true. Listening is very important. Probably
the most important. But they also have to trust you not to tell
everyone what they tell you. Nothing worse to a kid is to have
their confidence broken.
So as humble as you want to be. I believe most here on this
forum know you are special. It is obvious that BCA believes you
are special. It seems that the family court judge believes you
are special. The boys believe you are special, whether they
tell you outright or not. So Jack, you are just going to have
to accept the fact that you are special. I believe in
encouraging people. So be encouraged and keep on going. Just
don't try to do tooooooooooooooo much and mess up what you
already have going.
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