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Talk about a government
By: david090366 Date: September 9, 2014, 3:35 am
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While we're waiting for members. ;) we might as well start this
discussion.
Ideally, I'd like to see something like the UN. But I'm afraid
it'd take to many members to run.
1) Legislative body called something like the Assembly. Each
nation gets one vote.
2) Secretariat (head of government) composed of a Secretary
General and some other secretaries in charge of stuff.
3) Security Council, (Didn't want to call it this but can't
think of another name right now), composed of three permanent
members (I'm thinking Caos, Uniformitarian, and New Cottonwood
), and two members elected by the Assembly. Gets the Veto power.
Basically in charge of making sure that the principles and goals
of the region when it was founded are maintained.
4) International Court
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Re: Talk about a government
By: Caos Date: September 9, 2014, 6:26 am
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New Cottenwood isn't that active here.
But this is a very good system. Whats the time between
elections?
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Re: Talk about a government
By: david090366 Date: September 9, 2014, 4:36 pm
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I would say either two or three months, leaning myself towards
three months. We would then only have to have elections only
four times a year instead of six. I forgot to mention the
General Secretary would be elected by the Assembly ( It's sort
of a parliamentary system).
Now here is a spin I thought up as I was going to sleep last
night. ;D What if a nation decides that it wants to be one of
those nations, in character, that sort of gives the bird to the
UN? What I thought we could do is allow anyone that has been
accepted as a "citizen" on the forum to vote on out of character
matters, forum rules and that sort of stuff. However, if you
want to be a nation that "defies the international body", then
technically, in character, you won't be a member of the IUS and
won't get a vote on in character matters
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Re: Talk about a government
By: Caos Date: September 9, 2014, 5:35 pm
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I was thinking of the same thing when I said I seceded. :P
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Re: Talk about a government
By: david090366 Date: September 11, 2014, 12:19 am
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So lets start with the Assembly of Nations. I assume we want
this to be a fairly democratic region and not have just a few
people making all the decisions? So it would make sense to strip
some of the power from the real world UN security concil and
give it to what will be our general assembly.
Article ?
Section 1:The Assembly of Nations shall consist of all Members
in good standing of the International Union of States.
Section 2: Each Member shall have one representative in the
Assembly of Nations and shall receive one vote.
Section 3: The Members of the International Union of States
agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Assembly of
Nations in accordance with the present Charter.
Section 4: Nations who are members of the region, but do not
wish to be members of this organization in character, shall be
considered observers. Observers may vote on out of character
resolutions but not in character resolutions. Likewise observers
are bound by out of character resolutions but not in character
resolutions.
Section 5: The Assembly of Nations may take up any questions or
any matters within the scope of the present Charter or relating
to the powers and functions of any organs provided for in the
present Charter.
Section 6: The Assembly of Nations may consider the general
principles of co-operation in the maintenance of international
peace and security, including the principles governing the
regulation of armaments.
Section 7: The Assembly of Nations may discuss any questions
relating to the maintenance of international peace and security
brought before it by any Member of the International Union of
States, or by the Security Council, or by a state which is not a
Member of the International Union of States.
Section 8: The Assembly of Nations may discuss all matters
pertaining to international law and the establishment thereof.
Section 9: Nothing contained in the present Charter shall
authorize the International Union of States to intervene in
matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction
of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters
to settlement under the present Charter.
Section 10: All proposed resolutions must bear the following
labels in their tittles clearly labeling the area they are
intended to impact. [IC] for resolutions affecting roleplay,
[OOC] For resolutions affecting forum rules, [MT] for
resolutions affecting the modern era of roleplay, [PMT] for
resolutions affecting the post modern era of roleplay, and [FT]
for resolutions affecting the future era of roleplay.
Section 11: All votes in the Assembly of Nations, except those
specifically mentioned in the current charter, shall be by a
majority of members present. There shall be no quorum.
Section 12: All resolutions passed by the Assembly of Nations
shall be submitted to the Security Council for its approval. If
the Security Council approves the President of the Council shall
affix his signature to it and the same shall become
International Law. If not then the resolution shall be vetoed.
Section 13: The Assembly of Nations shall consider and approve
the budget of the Organization; and the expenses of the
Organization shall be borne by the Members as apportioned, in a
fair and equitable manner, by the Assembly of nations.
Section 14: The Assembly of Nations shall adopt its own rules of
procedure, elect its President and other such officers as it may
establish, and shall be able to establish such subsidiary organs
as it deems necessary for the performance of its functions.
HTML http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/index.shtml
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Re: Talk about a government
By: Caos Date: September 11, 2014, 7:47 am
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Alright, here's what I'm thinking...
In section 2, it says five reps, one vote. That would only work
if we had five real people per nation discussing amongst
themselves. Otherwise, one rep, one vote. It gets too
complicated with five people.
In section 4, it labels those not in the sphere of influence of
the government as observers. I feel we should categorize this.
And this point I'm going to make will lead me onto my next
confusion. If a nation, say, seceded from the IC government
here, or is mostly destroyed ICly, it should be declared an
observer. Likewise with getting accepted. If a nation applies,
and is not yet accepted, it should be an observer. But a nation
that has yet to receive a piece of land (my fault really),
should not be classified as such. By all means, it is a nation.
Getting off that topic for just a second, I have to address
something about our open tech policy. While this map is the same
for MT and PMT, and the resolutions can basically overlap, what
about FT? If we have a law, label it FT for future tech, so it
doesn't confuse others. In the case of planetary representative,
I will STRONGLY SUGGEST that each empire have a rep for each
planet meet and discuss. But I'm not about to make that
standard. Back on topic.
Section 5 and 6 deal with inquiries to the government, as does
7. However, I feel that there should be a court system in place
to rigorously view each law and examine its stance on basic
rights, as well as our constitution, should one be provided. I
do not think it smart for congress to hold the power to
effectively bully or 'punish' nations as it sees fit. Leads to
too many issues.
Likewise, in section 6, it insinuates that congress has certain
powers I do not believe constitutional. Specifically the control
of, basically, everything. As such, I think a little bit of
power review should be made. They should have power, but not
complete. Nations are still sovereign here.
First on that list is military. This is a tricky situation. We
should have guidelines that restrict nations from utter
destruction of another, yet it can't control their military. I
think that there should be a list of illegal procedures (Geneva
Convention on human rights in war), and a list of things that
are considered war crimes to use in non dire situations, but are
not illegal to create and own. Something that should be outlawed
completely, if I may for example, is biological warfare.
Once again, this is not a bill, but this is what I believe to be
Congress's power.
What of the president and court's power?
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Re: Talk about a government
By: david090366 Date: September 11, 2014, 10:58 pm
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I'm just bouncing ideas around for the legislative part right
now, and trying to get feed back and hammer things out about it.
There will of course be a court.
Section four is only addressing "those nations who do not wish
to be a part of the organization in character". In other words
if you "quit the organization" IC, or are destroyed as a nation,
or just don't want to be part of the UN. or IUoS in character. I
was going to address actual membership in the region later. I
also thought labeling of bills would be a good idea. Especially
labeling them IC, or OOC. But your additional labels would also
be a good idea.
The multiple rep thing I thought would mostly be an In character
thing anyway, but I also thought it was kind of silly. In other
words CSoRA would simply say, "My delegation is Joe Blow, Sue
Blue, Guy of Gisborne, Larry Laketrout, and Mary Mustang.
What I'm trying to work out here is the constitution. ;)
How does this work for addressing the sovereignty issue.
Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the
International Union of States to intervene in matters which are
essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or
shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement
under the present Charter.
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Re: Talk about a government
By: david090366 Date: September 11, 2014, 11:03 pm
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I just got what you were talking about in the observer thing. It
said "who wish to be members of the region" so by that language
people who aren't members yet could participate. It should have
said "are members".
[quote]Section 6: The Assembly of Nations may consider the
general principles of co-operation in the maintenance of
international peace and security, including the principles
governing the regulation of armaments.[/quote]
I took "disarmament" out of here, I don't want to be disarmed,
I'm sure you don't, I doubt anyone else does. They are still
able to regulate arms though. Which means they can pass laws
limiting the use of certain kinds of weapons. All the rest of
the section means is that if you are running around invading
people you may eventually face a IUS peacekeeping force (
principles of co-operation in the maintenance of international
peace and security,)
And remember, anything they do is going to have to be run past
the security council for approval or veto anyway.
Aw heck, just reread the thing. Question, do we want nations to
have WMD here? should the weapon regulation part be reworded to
say something along the line of regulate weapons inappropriate
to a roleplay era and which cause destruction on a massive
scale.
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Re: Talk about a government
By: Caos Date: September 12, 2014, 7:28 am
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I am completely fine with WMDs in the IUS, with the exception of
biological weapons. I'm not letting that in, because of it's
instability. However, chemical weapons and nuclear weapons are
allowed. Here's the catch: while I feel we can and should label
WMDs, they should not be used unless in the most desperate of
circumstances.
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Re: Talk about a government
By: david090366 Date: September 12, 2014, 2:09 pm
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So how are with it the way it stands now?
Also bear in mind that in FT a weapon of mass destruction is
probably something like the Death Star which wipes out whole
planets in a single stroke.
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