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#Post#: 1013--------------------------------------------------
Joining DOA, thoughts?
By: Natewolfman Date: December 27, 2016, 5:50 pm
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So a little ways back you may remember I had hopes of creating a
big interconnecting group of guilds. Well to put it bluntly, I
failed. I had a hard time convincing high functioning guilds to
join, and the lower ones ended up quiting on me. Well what I am
proposing here is the opposite, Skirata and I had a brief
conversation with DOA-CAT the leader of another group doing the
same, you may have seen some of there posts in the guild
recruitment doing the same. They currently have 2 heroic AAT
guilds and are building a 3rd, and I was looking into us joining
them.
How do we contribute to DOA/Heroic tank?
- ill quote them for this "The way we've been doing it is that
we give all your members who feel they are ready a shot. The
best 50 on the scoreboard stay and the rest either get a second
chance on the next AAT team or if far behind, return to a Rancor
team" What that means is, of the members they already have (I
think he said around 40 think they are ready) we add ours, I
estimate around 25 of us could be ready, we test our skills
against heroic and the top 50 create a new guild. The remaining
stay here in house clegane, still a part of DOA to hone your
skills until they have enough members to create a 4th heroic
crew then the process repeats.
What would this mean for House Clegane?
- The guild would remain, If I move up I will pass leadership
on to one of my officers, who will create new leadership. If
they move up they will pass it on, and so on, but House Clegane
will exist in that function. Members who move up will have spots
in House Clegane filled with members from other guilds who also
were just shy of making the Heroic Tank cut to make sure Heroic
rancor raids still proceed.
What if we dont join?
- If we do not join I estimate we are 2-3 months away from
Heroic on our own without becoming far more strict and
potentially kicking members more aggressively (I never plan on
doing that)
I would like honest feedback here, this could be very big for
us, many of us will get to start heroic tank raids now, and many
others will get to start sooner then expected. My cards on the
table, I am in favor of this merger, but I want to hear from
you.
#Post#: 1014--------------------------------------------------
Re: Joining DOA, thoughts?
By: Natewolfman Date: December 27, 2016, 6:21 pm
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If you are curious for more info
HTML https://www.reddit.com/r/DisciplesOfAlderaan/
This is there subreddit
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Re: Joining DOA, thoughts?
By: guest5 Date: December 27, 2016, 6:47 pm
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This may appeal to the more competitive players, but the more
casual players will be content to stay where they are.
This is very tempting and here are my my thoughts on it (this is
before I score their forums):
Pros:
More competitive
Change up the pace of the game
Potential for quicker/better rewards (including kenobi shards)
New and active people to talk to in game
A Core group of HG's will still be together
Cons:
More competition means some of us won't be on top anymore
New guild means new rules
Possible Personality Conflicts
Regardless of how we spin it, many players will be left behind.
Conclusion: I would be game if enough of my fellow HG's make the
cut.
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Re: Joining DOA, thoughts?
By: Natewolfman Date: December 27, 2016, 6:51 pm
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I might be able to get them to add more of us in, as we qualify,
to add us to the same group. Also house clegane will still
exist, so it's probably feasible to break it off if it doesn't
work out
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Re: Joining DOA, thoughts?
By: yhtzee Date: December 27, 2016, 9:30 pm
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I'm a newcomer so I don't give myself much of a vote here. That
said, I don't see a problem with anybody in the guild wanting to
move to a different guild to try your hand at heroic AAT raids.
The unknown is what portion of the current guild would meet the
standards of "heroic AAT ready" and what portion would not. The
portion staying would be the biggest losers of the move since
presumably the most active, dedicated, knowledgeable members
would be leaving, taking their toons, advice, gear donations,
and leadership with them. If a large enough portion leaves, the
new leadership may well have a hard time managing the guild or
recruiting enough additional members to maintain a functioning
guild, in which case the bottom half would be best served
fracturing apart and all joining new guilds. I know I would not
be that interested in joining a 25 person guild that just lost
all its best players and might struggle to maximize daily raid
ticket earnings. I would hope that DOA would be able to help
mitigate some of these concerns by incorporating the non-heroic
portion of the guild into some other heroic rancor guilds
they've already established. If there's a way to prearrange
this, it would definitely help the non-heroic portion avoid
unnecessary turbulence.
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Re: Joining DOA, thoughts?
By: Kiro Dye Date: December 27, 2016, 11:41 pm
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I played a few games that had the idea of a feeder guild into
the main one.
One game was a feeder up to a p2w guild, so most of us would
bank our crystals until we had enough to do a raid run and would
go up and right back down. That worked well. But there was a lot
of guild alliance cooperation in that game because of how raids
worked in that game. That's not the model here, so the benefits
of guild alliances we had in that game wouldn't apply here.
Another game I did, the main guild was just a main guild with a
few feeder guilds. I got passed over twice before they finally
had room for me. My progression died until I was able to move up
and get raid rewards assistance from all of the players who were
ahead of me.
Yhtzee's concern is valid. If half this guild is left to work on
its own without good strong players to help make up the
occasional non playing player or weak experimental run by a
player, then the remaining players progression will suffer.
I think we need to know exactly how many are potentially leaving
and what the requirements for maybe moving up is. (4 valid tank
raid teams? X number of 7* toons? Etc?) My concern is all of the
non specifics we have.
Like I said in chat, if the merger is fair, it has potential. If
all they want are our very best to shore themselves up...then it
benefits them more than us doesn't it?
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Re: Joining DOA, thoughts?
By: vader85 Date: December 28, 2016, 12:25 am
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I'm torn on this..
on the one hand, I would like to participate in heroic aat raids
and to be a part of a 50 active person guild, but at the same
time, I do really like the family we've built here.
Ultimately, I think I would prefer to sacrifice 2-3 month of
time if it meant we would stick together. I'm open to having
my mind changed, but this is my first impression.
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Re: Joining DOA, thoughts?
By: draconite Date: December 28, 2016, 5:48 am
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I woudl vote go for this. You can look at this this way: we as a
family don't go anywhere. We can always go back to the way
things are right now. I have been with this guild for 3/4 of a
year now and I couldn't be happier with the collective we have
here. Really love you guys. But we could at least give it a try.
We can always go back if things don't work out. I think it is a
good opportunity to at least see how things would work.
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Re: Joining DOA, thoughts?
By: Natewolfman Date: December 28, 2016, 7:11 am
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[quote author=yhtzee link=topic=146.msg1018#msg1018
date=1482895856]
I'm a newcomer so I don't give myself much of a vote here. That
said, I don't see a problem with anybody in the guild wanting to
move to a different guild to try your hand at heroic AAT raids.
The unknown is what portion of the current guild would meet the
standards of "heroic AAT ready" and what portion would not. The
portion staying would be the biggest losers of the move since
presumably the most active, dedicated, knowledgeable members
would be leaving, taking their toons, advice, gear donations,
and leadership with them. If a large enough portion leaves, the
new leadership may well have a hard time managing the guild or
recruiting enough additional members to maintain a functioning
guild, in which case the bottom half would be best served
fracturing apart and all joining new guilds. I know I would not
be that interested in joining a 25 person guild that just lost
all its best players and might struggle to maximize daily raid
ticket earnings. I would hope that DOA would be able to help
mitigate some of these concerns by incorporating the non-heroic
portion of the guild into some other heroic rancor guilds
they've already established. If there's a way to prearrange
this, it would definitely help the non-heroic portion avoid
unnecessary turbulence.
[/quote]
First let me say, you have just as much voice here as everyone
else :). It is unknown how many would make it, there will be a
trial system, he said anyone who feels they are ready and wants
to test is welcome to try, then everyone from this guild and
others who are not already part of a Heroic guild do a run and
the top 50 from all around get placed into the new guild. I
believe he said before we join, he has 40 players who think they
are ready. so bare minimum we would be moving 10, odds are we
would be moving more as some of those players may not get the
call. After that they will funnel other players back into our
guild to replace our lost players and make sure House Clegane
continues to do Heroic Rancor and normal tank, then when again
the guild collective as a whole has 50 or so people who think
they are ready for tank they will do the process again.
[quote author=Kiro Dye link=topic=146.msg1020#msg1020
date=1482903690]
I played a few games that had the idea of a feeder guild into
the main one.
One game was a feeder up to a p2w guild, so most of us would
bank our crystals until we had enough to do a raid run and would
go up and right back down. That worked well. But there was a lot
of guild alliance cooperation in that game because of how raids
worked in that game. That's not the model here, so the benefits
of guild alliances we had in that game wouldn't apply here.
Another game I did, the main guild was just a main guild with a
few feeder guilds. I got passed over twice before they finally
had room for me. My progression died until I was able to move up
and get raid rewards assistance from all of the players who were
ahead of me.
Yhtzee's concern is valid. If half this guild is left to work on
its own without good strong players to help make up the
occasional non playing player or weak experimental run by a
player, then the remaining players progression will suffer.
I think we need to know exactly how many are potentially leaving
and what the requirements for maybe moving up is. (4 valid tank
raid teams? X number of 7* toons? Etc?) My concern is all of the
non specifics we have.
Like I said in chat, if the merger is fair, it has potential. If
all they want are our very best to shore themselves up...then it
benefits them more than us doesn't it?
[/quote] most of what I said above applies to this comment, but
one thing to add, they are not doing this to help themselves get
into heroic raids, the DOA already has 2 guilds that are doing
heroic tank as well as 7 guilds that are doing heroic rancor.
They are doing it (I imagine) for the same reasons I wanted to,
increase notoriety for there group and/or make the DOA as a
whole more enticing for more players when they need to recruit
[quote author=vader85 link=topic=146.msg1021#msg1021
date=1482906313]
I'm torn on this..
on the one hand, I would like to participate in heroic aat raids
and to be a part of a 50 active person guild, but at the same
time, I do really like the family we've built here.
Ultimately, I think I would prefer to sacrifice 2-3 month of
time if it meant we would stick together. I'm open to having
my mind changed, but this is my first impression.
[/quote] I was thinking about this last night, I might ask them
for a concession in that, when members of 'House Clegane' are
ready to be moved up into heroic tank guilds, that we be paired
together. If they are ok with that, the only people we will be
missing out on are those who never really participated anyways
[quote author=draconite link=topic=146.msg1022#msg1022
date=1482925685]
I woudl vote go for this. You can look at this this way: we as a
family don't go anywhere. We can always go back to the way
things are right now. I have been with this guild for 3/4 of a
year now and I couldn't be happier with the collective we have
here. Really love you guys. But we could at least give it a try.
We can always go back if things don't work out. I think it is a
good opportunity to at least see how things would work.
[/quote] This is my thoughts as well, we can always back out if
things look overwhelmingly negative for us
Good comments everyone, keep them coming!
#Post#: 1024--------------------------------------------------
Re: Joining DOA, thoughts?
By: EdTostanoski Date: December 28, 2016, 9:45 am
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Here's what I'm thinking.
First, I don't see more than 10 of us moving up to DOA-Heroic
Tank at this time, even if more are ready. I'd volunteer to
stay behind in that case, to ensure we have enough firepower to
complete Heroic Rancor and Normal Tank. Let's run a poll now to
ask who thinks they're ready for Heroic Tank. We'll run the
next Rancor and Normal Tank raids, with the DOA-tank ready only
participating in a minimal fashion (less than 50k). If the rest
of our guild can complete them, we know this concern is met,
notwithstanding the fact that we'll get replacements easier as a
mega-guild.
Second, as long as we remain Allies, we have an easy path back
to House Clegane if things don't work.
Doing this will give those who move access to more and better
gear, as well as a new bar to measure themselves by. It also
gives those who remain more space in the top 10 to get more and
better Heroic Rancor and Normal Tank shards and gear.
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