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Re: What I sent to HAX about the OT ban
By: ricksterps Date: August 20, 2021, 12:29 pm
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It is really dead over at the chat.
Chalk one up for the good guys! #theresistance
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Re: What I sent to HAX about the OT ban
By: Heron Date: August 20, 2021, 1:33 pm
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The Facebook comment sections on Hax's columns and chats don't
include any OT, FWIW. I found it a little funny that so many
complainers were saying, "Take it to Facebook!" for that reason.
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Re: What I sent to HAX about the OT ban
By: ricksterps Date: August 22, 2021, 12:12 pm
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Final thoughts...
Wapo makes money a couple different ways. Subscriptions are
one--although offering it to me for $40 tells me it probably
isn't their main source of income. The other is through adds.
They get paid just to put the adds on the page. Then they get
paid on click-throughs. That's when you click on the add.
Finally, they get a cut of the purchase if you actually buy
something.
What they can charge per add is based on unique visitors per
day/month and time spent on site as well as the click-through
data. The amount of comments is probably also something they
market.
Obviously that will all take a hit over the coming weeks as we
stop going there. There will be a tail on this as we all drop
off of subscriptions so it will be gradual over the next few
months. How much will this matter? It is hard to tell as the
only metric we can see is the total comments. But it will be
noticed. If her site was a main producer, it will be really
noticed. If it was lower, not as much.
What I can see her doing when this is brought up by WAPO is a
comparison to Afghanistan. Were you going to allow OTs forever?
If not, this had to be done eventually.
Also, we can't unring the bell. The damage is done, people are
gone and won't come back with a dash of we will build it back up
over time as new people come in who just want talk about the
letters. MY letters :)
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Re: What I sent to HAX about the OT ban
By: guest157 Date: August 22, 2021, 12:26 pm
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Good for you, Rick. I noticed yesterday that the Hax column
comments were a small fraction of what they were. Giving in to
the kvetchers was a stupid move on CH;s part. I completely
cancelled my WaPo subscription when they removed the OT
designation, because the handwriting was on the wall at that
point. Was very happy to find the community reassembled here.
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Re: What I sent to HAX about the OT ban
By: Thetis099 Date: August 22, 2021, 12:34 pm
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[quote author=mousewoman link=topic=84.msg5113#msg5113
date=1629653210]
Good for you, Rick. I noticed yesterday that the Hax column
comments were a small fraction of what they were. Giving in to
the kvetchers was a stupid move on CH;s part. I completely
cancelled my WaPo subscription when they removed the OT
designation, because the handwriting was on the wall at that
point. Was very happy to find the community reassembled here.
[/quote]
I did the same thing. My subscription is canceled but it will
be active for a while longer. I am not using it anymore. News
is fine from other sources like NPR. I also emailed a couple of
complaints to WAPO. No replies to those. I haven't even read
the Hax letters the last few days because I am getting summaries
from others here. I logged out and haven't been back.
#Post#: 5118--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I sent to HAX about the OT ban
By: DavidSPumpkins Date: August 22, 2021, 12:35 pm
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My guess is that she overestimated the loyalty of her base and
assumed that getting rid of OT would mean people would stick
around and limit themselves to on-topic.
If she had handled the elimination of OT with less imperiousness
she might pulled it off. But the announcement itself
unnecessarily took it to 11, followed by her swipe against the
commentariat in one of her posts, and finally her absurdly
self-aggrandizing explanation in the chat.
We all have our bubbles.
#Post#: 5119--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I sent to HAX about the OT ban
By: iamnotarobot Date: August 22, 2021, 12:37 pm
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[quote author=Thetis099 link=topic=84.msg5117#msg5117
date=1629653644]
[quote author=mousewoman link=topic=84.msg5113#msg5113
date=1629653210]
Good for you, Rick. I noticed yesterday that the Hax column
comments were a small fraction of what they were. Giving in to
the kvetchers was a stupid move on CH;s part. I completely
cancelled my WaPo subscription when they removed the OT
designation, because the handwriting was on the wall at that
point. Was very happy to find the community reassembled here.
[/quote]
I did the same thing. My subscription is canceled but it will
be active for a while longer. I am not using it anymore. News
is fine from other sources like NPR. I also emailed a couple of
complaints to WAPO. No replies to those. I haven't even read
the Hax letters the last few days because I am getting summaries
from others here. I logged out and haven't been back.
[/quote]
I actually prefer this format where the letters are discussed in
more general terms. This is probably my own pet peeve, but I
disliked how there was a tendency to argue over wording and
details in the comments on wapo.
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Re: What I sent to HAX about the OT ban
By: ricksterps Date: August 22, 2021, 1:25 pm
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[quote author=mousewoman link=topic=84.msg5113#msg5113
date=1629653210]
Good for you, Rick. I noticed yesterday that the Hax column
comments were a small fraction of what they were. Giving in to
the kvetchers was a stupid move on CH;s part. I completely
cancelled my WaPo subscription when they removed the OT
designation, because the handwriting was on the wall at that
point. Was very happy to find the community reassembled here.
[/quote] Great to see you again, Mouse!
#Post#: 5166--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I sent to HAX about the OT ban
By: guest157 Date: August 22, 2021, 2:51 pm
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Thanks, Rick!
#Post#: 5175--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I sent to HAX about the OT ban
By: GladGrace Date: August 22, 2021, 3:18 pm
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Good job. My view, and my assessment of the situation and what
will happen, is very similar to yours. I did not send anything
directly to her because by the time they announced "no OT at
all" I figured she couldn't backtrack. I'm glad you, and others,
did protest directly. I posted to the thread under her
announcement. When other choices, like this one, were set up by
our incredible Haxnuts friends, I was excited. I'm sure we'll
have disagreements but having a forum free of some of the
nastier Hax commenters will be a relief to me. I have had a Wapo
subscription for many years for non-Hax reasons and I'll keep it
for now. But I am mixed on commenting on Hax there, partly
because I'm so disgusted with them for the decision and the way
they rolled it out. Right now I'm jumping in over there, not
daily, but then when I see a low comment count I have some not
very nice sense of satisfaction and refrain so that I don't
drive it up. Wapo can suffer with the reality of their low count
and the, imo, incursion of more of the trashier commenters
(without us to show them the door.)
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