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       #Post#: 51941--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Offensive words - and which ones are TOO offensive
   DIR By: Roselynn39
       Date: December 14, 2021, 4:05 pm
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       I would find it hard not to use the word "redneck", considering
       I live in a state with a slew of them. In the south, redneck is
       not that derogatory.
       The c word and the n word is a whole different level. I find
       them unacceptable, no matter where they're used.
       Love the f word but don't use it often on here.
       It took me awhile to even find out what the word was as I
       usually start with newest comments if I 've been on earlier in a
       day. Was there another word that was discussed I am not aware of
       ?
       To be clear, are we not allowed to use redneck?
       #Post#: 51943--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Offensive words - and which ones are TOO offensive
   DIR By: LabPartner
       Date: December 14, 2021, 4:08 pm
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       --- Quote from: Queenie link ---
       >
       > I think the people of Rom can call themselves gypsies but
       nobody else can. I think Black people can call themselves the N
       word but nobody else can.
       >
       > I think in a place like this it's pretty hard to know who is
       "allowed" to call themselves a faggot, a redneck, etc.
       >
       > Calling someone else that is treacherous ground, and frankly I
       can't see how "trailer trash" is ever OK.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I don't think redneck and trailer trash traveled north well, but
       I understand how they might have different weight in Florida.
       #Post#: 51945--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Offensive words - and which ones are TOO offensive
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: December 14, 2021, 4:08 pm
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       At the risk of (me, pathetically) trying to be woke, my niece
       objects to most terms which are "othering."
       Just a thought.
       #Post#: 51949--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Offensive words - and which ones are TOO offensive
   DIR By: Roselynn39
       Date: December 14, 2021, 4:15 pm
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       --- Quote from: LabPartner link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Queenie link=topic=609.msg51923#msg51923
       date=1639518746]
       > I think the people of Rom can call themselves gypsies but
       nobody else can. I think Black people can call themselves the N
       word but nobody else can.
       >
       > I think in a place like this it's pretty hard to know who is
       "allowed" to call themselves a faggot, a redneck, etc.
       >
       > Calling someone else that is treacherous ground, and frankly I
       can't see how "trailer trash" is ever OK.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I don't think redneck and trailer trash traveled north well, but
       I understand how they might have different weight in Florida.
       [/quote]
       They are both common regional terms in the south. Along with
       cracker which I don't hear much. An earlier term.
       Trailer trash is national, IMO.
       #Post#: 51952--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Offensive words - and which ones are TOO offensive
   DIR By: northbayteky
       Date: December 14, 2021, 4:18 pm
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       --- Quote from: LabPartner link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Queenie link=topic=609.msg51923#msg51923
       date=1639518746]
       > I think the people of Rom can call themselves gypsies but
       nobody else can. I think Black people can call themselves the N
       word but nobody else can.
       >
       > I think in a place like this it's pretty hard to know who is
       "allowed" to call themselves a faggot, a redneck, etc.
       >
       > Calling someone else that is treacherous ground, and frankly I
       can't see how "trailer trash" is ever OK.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I don't think redneck and trailer trash traveled north well, but
       I understand how they might have different weight in Florida.
       [/quote]
       What traveled (north, west?) is "white trash."  I mean, I've
       heard trailer trash, but growing up I heard white trash but not
       trailer trash. I don't think there's any difference, really.
       #Post#: 51954--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Offensive words - and which ones are TOO offensive
   DIR By: Cairn terrier
       Date: December 14, 2021, 4:20 pm
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       I can support a policy of civility.
       Not that we have to refer to each other as “the honorable poster
       from the great state of Montana”, but that you can’t call
       another member, or refer to them, using a derogatory term.
       (Except maybe in the collective sense.  I’m still thinking that
       through.)
       But I’m against the complete banning of any word, even those I
       find very offensive.
       That’s just a slippery slope to banning whole books of them, and
       then the thoughts behind them.
       #Post#: 51958--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Offensive words - and which ones are TOO offensive
   DIR By: Roselynn39
       Date: December 14, 2021, 4:25 pm
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       --- Quote from: Queenie link ---
       >
       > At the risk of (me, pathetically) trying to be woke, my niece
       objects to most terms which are "othering."
       >
       > Just a thought.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Is this in the context of calling people HERE, in this forum,
       these words? Or people like Marjorie Taylor Greene? Because she
       is white trash, all day long.
       #Post#: 51963--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Offensive words - and which ones are TOO offensive
   DIR By: AbidingDudev4.1
       Date: December 14, 2021, 4:35 pm
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       I am probably not the best arbiter of foul language. I mean I
       made a NAMBLA joke here yesterday, but this word is not one I'd
       ever use.
       Certainly directed at any poster it will be deleted.
       I'm fine with calling it out of bounds. I'm also fine with
       calling Boebert disparaging names, if not that one.
       #Post#: 51964--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Offensive words - and which ones are TOO offensive
   DIR By: LabPartner
       Date: December 14, 2021, 4:39 pm
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       --- Quote from: Cairn terrier link ---
       >
       > I can support a policy of civility.
       > Not that we have to refer to each other as “the honorable
       poster from the great state of Montana”, but that you can’t call
       another member, or refer to them, using a derogatory term.
       (Except maybe in the collective sense.  I’m still thinking that
       through.)
       >
       > But I’m against the complete banning of any word, even those I
       find very offensive.
       > That’s just a slippery slope to banning whole books of them,
       and then the thoughts behind them.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       We've been fairly civil, I think. It's one of the reasons I live
       it here so much. On occasion, when incivility has crept in,
       people have reported it (not always the direct victim, either),
       and your friendly neighborhood moderators have handled it.
       I agree words shouldn't be banned. I also think that there are
       some words people should never choose to use.
       #Post#: 51970--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Offensive words - and which ones are TOO offensive
   DIR By: animaniactoo
       Date: December 14, 2021, 4:50 pm
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       The terms I find the most offensive are the ones that are
       derogatory about someone based on something they are born with
       or as, and can't change and should not have to in order to be
       awarded the basic respect of being considered a human being. For
       me, that generally also includes class background.
       It is sometimes an issue between my husband and myself, given
       that I grew up in a very different environment than he did, and
       he will cheerfully call his cousin (and sometimes himself but
       not so much anymore) a redneck.
       Insults - intended AS insults - based on the type of work you
       do? Similar.
       Outside of that it takes a high level of
       vulgarity/gendering/classicism/etc. to move the needle for me,
       and the C word hits that needle. Bitch doesn't - and maybe some
       of that is about being inured to it, but maybe some of it is
       about having a specific concept in my head of what it means to
       be a bitch. Or behave like a bitch.
       Generally I tend to sway away from calling someone "a"
       something, rather than saying that they are "acting like a" -
       it's an important distinction for me, that I am labelling the
       behavior rather than the person, but early on here I used Karen
       as part of that and was called out on it and it was pointed out
       to me that there is only one select narrow group of people that
       the term is leveled at, and I can just describe the behavior
       rather than using the term.
       But - when my husband or sisters call me a bitch in relative
       fondness that doesn't bother me at all, and likely, I HAVE just
       been a bitch.
       But I don't have a similar evaluation in my head for what it
       means to be a c---, and if one of them called me that, we'd be
       at war.
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