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       Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
   DIR By: VillageHag
       Date: December 5, 2021, 10:57 am
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       All this talk about COIVD never going away reminds me that we
       still live with the descendant of the Spanish Flu. I don't
       remember which flu variant it is, but it's still with us - it
       morphed and evolved becoming less deadly but it's still with us.
       I think we will just need to accept that our annual flu vaccine
       will be joined with an annual COVID vaccine. An interesting
       thing I did read was that the mRNA technology will allow a
       better flu vaccine every year. With the current system (growing
       it in eggs) it takes months and so the medical people have to
       make an educated guess as to which flu strain will be dominant
       in any given year. With the mRNA technology it takes less time
       to make the vaccine allowing those that make this decision more
       time to see which flu strain will be dominant.
       That being said - we do need a better health system.
       #Post#: 48812--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
   DIR By: Thetis099
       Date: December 5, 2021, 11:13 am
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       --- Quote from: Queenie link ---
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       > Tangential: I know a person who has covid. He's keeping quiet
       about it because if he doesn't work he doesn't get paid. He
       probably contracted it at work.
       >
       > You can disapprove all you want, but this is reality for a
       fair number of people.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Indeed.  This thought has made me more angry at those who could
       afford to stay home when infected but refused based on political
       ideology or anti-science ideology or whatever other horse hockey
       they pointed to.  The former guy at that White House garden
       event where he was the super spreader comes to mind.  I do not
       blame people who are just trying to feed their kids and keep the
       heat on.
       #Post#: 48825--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: December 5, 2021, 11:56 am
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       I can't spend energy being mad at people over how they cope with
       this.  Nobody is coviding *at* me.
       I gotta just protect myself the best I can and let the rest go.
       #Post#: 48860--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
   DIR By: Thetis099
       Date: December 5, 2021, 1:08 pm
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       --- Quote from: Queenie link ---
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       > I can't spend energy being mad at people over how they cope
       with this.  Nobody is coviding *at* me.
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       > I gotta just protect myself the best I can and let the rest
       go.
       >
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       The people who went maskless and coughed on people on purpose
       covided at others.  I refuse to believe not a single one of them
       was contagious with covid when they did those things, and I
       don't think any of them cared if they harmed others.  Maybe they
       didn't covid at you or me personally, but we saw it happening.
       #Post#: 48866--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: December 5, 2021, 1:37 pm
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       I can't worry about them. All I can do is protect myself as best
       as possible.
       #Post#: 48873--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
   DIR By: PalomaBlanca
       Date: December 5, 2021, 2:00 pm
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       I think we do have to worry about them, particularly with
       omicron.
       The preliminary information coming out of S Africa is that the R
       number for omicron is an incredible 3.5  (Roughly translates to
       10 people will infect 35 others).  That means the transmission
       is staggering, so every selfish dumbass here who doesn't mask
       will infect a large number of people.  We don't know how severe
       omicron is, but the hospitalizations out of SA are high, so I
       doubt people are having the sniffles.
  HTML https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10276793/Hospitalisations-Omicron-hit-South-African-province-RISING-faster-previous-wave.html
       *Result of google search
       #Post#: 48925--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
   DIR By: Queenie
       Date: December 5, 2021, 4:37 pm
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       I disagree.  Protect yourself.  Vaccinate. Mask. Distance if you
       want. Isolate if you want.
       Obsessing about what "they" are doing or not doing is futile.
       When I'm driving I assume that everyone else on the road is an
       idiot who is trying to kill me. Same with covid. Anything better
       than that is a delightful bonus.
       #Post#: 48936--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
   DIR By: HeddyL2627
       Date: December 5, 2021, 5:54 pm
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       Why would I waste my time worrying about what precautions other
       people are taking?? I can only control my actions, and I choose
       to wear a KN95 mask all the time  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
       #Post#: 48949--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
   DIR By: PalomaBlanca
       Date: December 5, 2021, 6:52 pm
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       Um, just to be perfectly clear......I agree you can't change
       what millions of other people are doing on a daily basis. Not
       remotely possible.
       I still think it is a good idea to be aware of what's coming
       your direction, and what actions your area is taking.  Or not.
       (For example, our state governor has decided to ignore
       covid/delta and covid/omicron. There are still bans against
       masking.  It helps to know what people are and are not doing at
       a state or societal response level.  This is where public health
       policy comes in, as nothing can be done at the individual
       level).
       And we've got this:  "Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey is defying a
       demand that he stop using federal coronavirus relief money to
       fund an education grant program that can only go to schools
       without mask mandates."
       That relief money could go for so many other things.
       #Post#: 48954--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
   DIR By: animaniactoo
       Date: December 5, 2021, 7:05 pm
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       Ugh. PB, I agree with you that it pays to be paying attention
       and aware - in a lot of ways so that you know what you NEED to
       and CAN do to protect yourself.
       So sorry about Ducey. May he be defeated soundly in the next
       election.
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