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Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
DIR By: Heron
Date: November 29, 2021, 3:30 pm
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--- Quote from: PalomaBlanca link ---
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> I"m wondering how scientists and epidemiologists are tracking
the rate of transmission of Omicron in South Africa. Omicron
was first found in Gauteng province (where Jo'berg and Pretoria
are). This area is the smallest province - it's like under 2%
of the country - but it's where a quarter of the entire
population is. It wouldn't take much for a virus to spread in
such a densely populated area.
> Hospitalizations there are up over 400%.
> I'm wondering if Omicron is so mild in comparison to other
variants, why is there a 400% increase in hospitalizations?
>
>
HTML https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/covid-19-hospitalizations-rising-south-africas-omicron-hot-spot-rcna6922
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How many people were they having to hospitalize prior to this?
Is that 400% of 20 people, or 200?
ETA:
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> "120 for the week ending Nov. 6 to 580 for the week ending
Saturday."
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I wonder how many of them have underlying conditions. And how
many of the new Covid patients are intubated, rather than being
monitored in case they get bad enough that they'll require it.
Even if the new variant turns out not to be as lethal as delta,
it's still a serious disease. It's gonna put people in the
hospital--especially when they haven't gotten vaccinated and
they're not taking precautions.
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Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
DIR By: Queenie
Date: November 29, 2021, 3:33 pm
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Tangential, because, not omicron: I check the MA covid info
every day. And the number of active cases has absolutely
skyrocketed since about the end of July. Our infection control
people are going out of their minds and lecturing us about how
this is all our fault and we're all going to die.
But the deaths, which trail cases by about a month or so, have
remained steady this entire time.
Don't get me wrong, between zero and thirty deaths a day (seems
to average high teens) is a problem. But if you look at the
active cases graph you'd think it would be so very much higher,
and increasing. But no. That line remains flat.
This makes me feel optimistic that vaccination is working.
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Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
DIR By: Thetis099
Date: November 29, 2021, 3:40 pm
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--- Quote from: PalomaBlanca link ---
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> I"m wondering how scientists and epidemiologists are tracking
the rate of transmission of Omicron in South Africa. Omicron
was first found in Gauteng province (where Jo'berg and Pretoria
are). This area is the smallest province - it's like under 2%
of the country - but it's where a quarter of the entire
population is. It wouldn't take much for a virus to spread in
such a densely populated area.
> Hospitalizations there are up over 400%.
> I'm wondering if Omicron is so mild in comparison to other
variants, why is there a 400% increase in hospitalizations?
>
>
HTML https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/covid-19-hospitalizations-rising-south-africas-omicron-hot-spot-rcna6922
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I am just guessing. The very low vaccination rate?
Theoretically, if more people were vaccinated fewer would be in
the hospital if the vaccines protect against hospitalization as
well as death for this variant like the other vairants. Plus,
it seems like I read somewhere they got a lot of J&J vaccine in
Africa but I could be wrong about that. If the majority of
their vaccinated population was vaccinated with a single shot of
J&J the immunity of the vaccinated could have wained quicker
than other places.
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Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
DIR By: Heron
Date: November 29, 2021, 3:42 pm
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[Quote] It is not yet clear whether infection with Omicron
causes more severe disease compared to infections with other
variants, including Delta. Preliminary data suggests that there
are increasing rates of hospitalization in South Africa, but
this may be due to increasing overall numbers of people becoming
infected, rather than a result of specific infection with
Omicron. There is currently no information to suggest that
symptoms associated with Omicron are different from those from
other variants. Initial reported infections were among
university students—younger individuals who tend to have more
mild disease—but understanding the level of severity of the
Omicron variant will take days to several weeks. All variants
of COVID-19, including the Delta variant that is dominant
worldwide, can cause severe disease or death, in particular for
the most vulnerable people, and thus prevention is always
key.[/quote]
HTML https://www.who.int/news/item/28-11-2021-update-on-omicron
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Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
DIR By: Heron
Date: November 29, 2021, 3:51 pm
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--- Quote from: Queenie link ---
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> Tangential, because, not omicron: I check the MA covid info
every day. And the number of active cases has absolutely
skyrocketed since about the end of July. Our infection control
people are going out of their minds and lecturing us about how
this is all our fault and we're all going to die.
>
> But the deaths, which trail cases by about a month or so, have
remained steady this entire time.
>
> Don't get me wrong, between zero and thirty deaths a day
(seems to average high teens) is a problem. But if you look at
the active cases graph you'd think it would be so very much
higher, and increasing. But no. That line remains flat.
>
> This makes me feel optimistic that vaccination is working.
>
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Right. Even if omicron is as bad as we fear, we're not going to
be sent back to the time when there were no vaccines and no
antiviral Covid treatments.
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Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
DIR By: Heron
Date: November 29, 2021, 4:28 pm
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--- Quote from: Queenie link ---
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> If I read that right, all of the participants were previously
infected and some of them were also vaccinated. If that is
correct then the study does not compare previous infection to
vaccination but rather previous infection+vaccination against
previous infection alone.
>
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[Quote]The CDC study that Assoumou referred to shows that
individuals in Kentucky who had already had COVID and had not
been vaccinated against the virus were over twice as likely to
be reinfected in comparison with people who were fully
vaccinated.[/quote]
HTML https://www.newsweek.com/natural-covid-immunity-delta-variant-protect-vaccines-1635216
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Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
DIR By: iamnotarobot
Date: November 30, 2021, 6:06 am
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Not really related to the news articles themselves, but some
family members have cancelled their holiday plans in light of
this and the continuing delta wave.
I have to say I'm more comfortable with that, although I'll miss
seeing them for a bit.
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Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
DIR By: billieryder
Date: November 30, 2021, 10:05 am
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--- Quote from: iamnotarobot link ---
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> Not really related to the news articles themselves, but some
family members have cancelled their holiday plans in light of
this and the continuing delta wave.
>
> I have to say I'm more comfortable with that, although I'll
miss seeing them for a bit.
>
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I was talking to my mom last night and reiterated that I didn't
love her enough to get two PCR tests (she lives in Canada) for
the travel. She was like... No worries.... We really don't want
you to visit and risk infecting us. So lack of love
everywhere!!! :)
But yes the ongoing pandemic has continued the lack of in person
contact.
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Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
DIR By: Heron
Date: November 30, 2021, 10:07 am
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The best thing about the pandemic, for me, is not having to
share breathing space with my mom. I like her better when I
can't see her.
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Re: New covid variant - huge evolutionary leap
DIR By: iamnotarobot
Date: November 30, 2021, 10:14 am
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--- Quote from: Heron link ---
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> The best thing about the pandemic, for me, is not having to
share breathing space with my mom. I like her better when I
can't see her.
>
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I'm sorry that's the case. Luckily for me the ones I feel that
way about are all extended relatives.
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