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Re: A clueless bishop
DIR By: KathySky
Date: November 6, 2021, 2:08 pm
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I read his address to try and understand what he was trying to
communicate.
Several points stood out, among them:
"Today’s critical theories and ideologies are profoundly
atheistic. They deny the soul, the spiritual, transcendent
dimension of human nature; or they think that it is irrelevant
to human happiness. They reduce what it means to be human to
essentially physical qualities — the color of our skin, our sex,
our notions of gender, our ethnic background, or our position in
society."
I think that three of his main points were:
1. Secular movements are not based on religion or spirituality,
which results in religion becoming a non-essential part of
society.
2. Morality can only derive from religion.
3. Divisiveness is not the Christian way.
I disagree with pretty much everything that he said, but I think
it's worth reading his actual words to try to understand what he
is actually saying.
HTML https://archbishopgomez.org/blog/reflections-on-the-church-and-americas-new-religions
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Re: A clueless bishop
DIR By: animaniactoo
Date: November 6, 2021, 2:10 pm
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HTML https://wapo.st/3GTHkM2
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> GIFT ARTICLE ABOUT BISHOP TO WHOM WHITEROSE REFERS.
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ty, Devils...b. Oh boy, that bishop is clueless and more.
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> With the breakdown of the Judeo-Christian worldview
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Hey, buddy, you are overestimating the already wide reach that
Christianity has or SHOULD have. And that has always been your
religion's issue - how to co-exist in the same space and allow
others to believe something different and still get along. To be
fair, it's not a problem that only your religion has ever had.
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Re: A clueless bishop
DIR By: GladGrace
Date: November 6, 2021, 2:34 pm
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To add some context, if you haven't been following the US
Bishops' attempts to dominate and control the women religious,
about a decade ago the US Bishops went after the nuns about
social activism hammer and tongs. Pope Francis patched things up
a bit. I don't agree with him but in this context Gomez looks
like less of a lunatic.
NYT April 2012 Vatican Reprimands a Group of U.S. Nuns and Plans
Changes
By Laurie Goodstein
NYT April 2015
Vatican Ends Battle With U.S. Catholic Nuns’ Group
I couldn't get the links to paste, sorry.
In the Boston area we were exposed to these conflicting forces
decades earlier, because the church's reaction to the activism
of Boston College's Professor Mary Daly, among others.
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Re: A clueless bishop
DIR By: Heron
Date: November 6, 2021, 2:37 pm
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"Black Catholics respond with dismay as Gomez calls protests
'pseudo-religions'":
HTML https://www.ncronline.org/news/justice/black-catholics-respond-dismay-gomez-calls-protests-pseudo-religions
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Re: A clueless bishop
DIR By: Itopian
Date: November 6, 2021, 4:16 pm
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--- Quote from: KathySky link ---
>
> I read his address to try and understand what he was trying to
communicate.
>
> Several points stood out, among them:
>
> "Today’s critical theories and ideologies are profoundly
atheistic. They deny the soul, the spiritual, transcendent
dimension of human nature; or they think that it is irrelevant
to human happiness. They reduce what it means to be human to
essentially physical qualities — the color of our skin, our sex,
our notions of gender, our ethnic background, or our position in
society."
>
> I think that three of his main points were:
> 1. Secular movements are not based on religion or
spirituality, which results in religion becoming a non-essential
part of society.
> 2. Morality can only derive from religion.
> 3. Divisiveness is not the Christian way.
>
> I disagree with pretty much everything that he said, but I
think it's worth reading his actual words to try to understand
what he is actually saying.
>
>
HTML https://archbishopgomez.org/blog/reflections-on-the-church-and-americas-new-religions
>
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I suppose if he wanted the criminal cabal he wishes to see rule
the world to hold greater sway, then he should be concentrating
on excising the awfulness from it. He literally does not have
the spare time to complain about this. His plate will be
over-full for the rest of his life.
1. Religion is already a non-essential, I would even say
detrimental but that's me, element of society.
2. Poppycock.
3. Poppycock. Who's in and who's out is an essential element,
one might even say THE essential element of religion.
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Re: A clueless bishop
DIR By: Heron
Date: November 6, 2021, 4:20 pm
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--- Quote from: GladGrace link ---
>
> To add some context, if you haven't been following the US
Bishops' attempts to dominate and control the women religious,
about a decade ago the US Bishops went after the nuns about
social activism hammer and tongs. Pope Francis patched things up
a bit. I don't agree with him but in this context Gomez looks
like less of a lunatic.
> NYT April 2012 Vatican Reprimands a Group of U.S. Nuns and
Plans Changes
> By Laurie Goodstein
> NYT April 2015
> Vatican Ends Battle With U.S. Catholic Nuns’ Group
> I couldn't get the links to paste, sorry.
> In the Boston area we were exposed to these conflicting forces
decades earlier, because the church's reaction to the activism
of Boston College's Professor Mary Daly, among others.
>
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At yer service:
HTML https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/us/vatican-reprimands-us-nuns-group.html
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Re: A clueless bishop
DIR By: Heron
Date: November 6, 2021, 4:26 pm
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Also: Vatican Ends Battle With U.S. Catholic Nuns’ Group
HTML https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/us/catholic-church-ends-takeover-of-leadership-conference-of-women-religious.html
And, not behind a paywall:
HTML https://www.npr.org/2012/07/25/157356092/bishop-explains-vaticans-criticism-of-u-s-nuns
HTML https://www.globalsistersreport.org/resources/lcwr-statements-about-doctrinal-assessment-2009-2015-25511
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Re: A clueless bishop
DIR By: KathySky
Date: November 6, 2021, 5:03 pm
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Itopian said:
"I suppose if he wanted the criminal cabal he wishes to see rule
the world to hold greater sway, then he should be concentrating
on excising the awfulness from it. He literally does not have
the spare time to complain about this. His plate will be
over-full for the rest of his life."
Well, he did address that in one sentence:
"Of course, in the Church we have not always lived up to our
beautiful principles, or carried out the mission entrusted to us
by Christ."
Understatement of the year/decade.....
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Re: A clueless bishop
DIR By: Itopian
Date: November 6, 2021, 7:19 pm
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--- Quote from: KathySky link ---
>
> Itopian said:
> "I suppose if he wanted the criminal cabal he wishes to see
rule the world to hold greater sway, then he should be
concentrating on excising the awfulness from it. He literally
does not have the spare time to complain about this. His plate
will be over-full for the rest of his life."
>
> Well, he did address that in one sentence:
> "Of course, in the Church we have not always lived up to our
beautiful principles, or carried out the mission entrusted to us
by Christ."
>
> Understatement of the year/decade.....
>
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allocution is only the first step of the plea deal, which we
have not made with him.
I will edit for him:
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>
> "in the Church, we have not ... carried out the mission
entrusted to us by Christ."
>
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which is true, but not sufficient. He needs to list each crime,
without excuse, admitting full guilt.
Now, as for ex(or)cising the awfulness from it, when its every
victim has been healed and recompensed, then we can discuss
their organization's ever speaking again.
He can begin with the atrocities it has committed against the
peoples of Africa, Asia, the Pacific Islands, the Americas, and
Europe.
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Re: A clueless bishop
DIR By: PalomaBlanca
Date: November 6, 2021, 7:55 pm
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I think it's important to note that it was Archbishop Gomez who
condemned President Biden's political stance on abortion
immediately after his inauguration. Not a welcoming move.
At issue is a statement issued shortly after Mr. Biden was sworn
in as the nation’s 46th president and signed by Archbishop Jose
Gomez, president of the U.S.C.C.B. Archbishop Gomez wished the
new president well, but he also used strong language in an
unusually lengthy statement to condemn the nation’s second
Catholic president’s support for abortion rights.
HTML https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2021/01/20/biden-cupich-gomez-bishops-239779
Archbishop Gomez is also the face of those in the church who
would deny President Biden, and other politicians, communion
based on their political history.
It's hard to find any type of middle ground with bishops that
use theology and the receiving of communion in the church as
cudgels against individuals. The Pope himself countermanded
this practice.
And so no, I don't find Gomez's words to be useful, or to be
building bridges, or to finding common ground. They are
designed to provoke and divide. I don't believe those are
effective strategies in times of great division and dissent.
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